Does the DX2 kernel have unauthorized tether monitor ?

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    To what question, sir?


    I'll continue to ask my question (the one nobody has answered): If I download a file with my phone and transfer it to my computer, is that tethering?


    As for your phone being a modem, it's pretty simple... A modem (modulator-demodulator) is a device that modulates an analog carrier signal to encode digital information, and also demodulates such a carrier signal to decode the transmitted information. It's true that your phone acts as a modem for the programs running on it (it modulates/demodulates the 3G signal). It's not true, however, that it's acting as a modem for your computer. A java applet (in most cases) negotiates that data transfer.

    Wireless tether uses an Ad-hoc network connection. Wired tethering uses a direct data transfer.
     
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    are you not using your phone as a wireless modem? i still fail to see why or how you're arguing that that's not the case...in pdanets case the phone is absolutely acting like a modem...for all intents and purposes the computer will see the phone as an external modem
     
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    So, did anyone answer the original question asked in post #1?

    Eric
     
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    I haven't seen one... and I'm certainly not in a position to answer.
     
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    They likely can. If you're browsing with a desktop browser, they can easily analyze packets/requests and see if your browser is reporting as a desktop browser. If you're opening many oddball ports at once (i.e. torrenting), that would also be obvious. Would also be obvious with certain known ports in use (Xbox Live, PSN etc). It's really very easy to tell if you got yourself flagged to be monitored (usually from very high data usage), but there's no way to know for sure what will get them to start monitoring your usage closely. Basically, don't do it unless you're willing to pay the consequences.
     
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    Downloading to your phone and then transferring via USB is not tethering. Downloading directly to your pc via your phones mobile network IS tethering...

    You guys are trying to justify breaching a contract that you had no problem signing by making up dumb scenarios. It doesnt matter that you or anyone else thinks its silly, you agreed to those silly terms.
     
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    No. I'm using an Ad Hoc connection to transfer data between my phone and computer. You say this is fine under some conditions and a breach of contract under others.

    Why don't you answer my question: If I download a file with my phone and transfer it to my computer, is that tethering?
    - Are you afraid of saying "yes" because it means you tether?
    - Are you afraid that saying "no" will mean there's no such thing as tethering?

    The whole point is that VZW has no reasonable ability, despite the contract, to govern what programs we use to transfer data and when that data gets transferred.
     
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    Afraid? Not at all...I think you have some weird idea in your head that you've discovered something revolutionary. I answered your "is there a difference?" Question in my first post. You ignored it. The answer to your question is no, and again that's because you don't need a data connection to do a usb transfer. Tethering is using your phone as a modem (gateway? Router?) to share your phones connection. Trying to compare usb transferring to tethering is silliness, and you know that...again not sure why it appears you think you've discovered some loophole. The difference between the two is obvious to those who aren't trying to spin some silly justification...

    When you usb transfer can you then disconnect your cable modem and then use your "ad hoc" connection to browse the internet without turning on your tethering app? Didn't think so. Again...the difference is obvious...to most.

    Your "verizon has no leg to stand on" argument is doubly silly. Why in the world would they take users to court over this, and waste millions of dollars when all they have to do is set up tiers? Hopefully you don't own a business where litigation is your first resort when something goes wrong. Easy way to go bankrupt.

    Believe me when the tiers come vzw will be governing what you do. Oh let me use your backwards logic...the reason you won't go to court over this is bc you know you'll lose...
     
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    You're right, and I won't argue with you on that point. What I'm saying is that does not happen. Yes, the data ultimately ends up on your PC, but isn't that what happens when transferring via USB? The fact is, the data lands on your phone first.

    Thank you for answering my question. My follow up is this: How is this fundamentally different from tethering?

    Tethering is a misnomer... your phone simply sends data that it receives from it's 3G connection to your PC. For some reason you call instant transfer to your PC a tether and delayed transfer to your PC a file transfer.

    There is only one other difference that hasn't been brought up... one process happens automatically and one process must be initiated manually by a series of touches. But there's nothing stopping you from scripting the events. If you refined such a script to happen at increasingly faster intervals, you would end up with two of the same.
     
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    Well... this is getting out of hand quickly. You clearly don't understand my point, so I'll just leave you to it. I'll just defend your attacks against me and leave it at that.

    Actually, I addressed it in my next post:
    Silliness? No! They're fundamentally the same thing!

    I never suggested that VZW should be taking people to court. I'm saying this is a reason why they aren't. Sure, money is an issue, but I assure you they pay the lawyers a retainer that would cover the suit. Regardless, contract disputes usually are taken to arbitration (per the contract) and the loser pays the fees in addition to the awarded settlement.

    No... I'm quite sure I would win if they re-wrote my Unlimited Data contract to a tiered plan without my consent. I generally have no interest in bogging down my life with legal action.
     
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    I guess if you refuse to understand something, it makes things difficult or hard to understand...fundamentally. they are not fundamentally or ultimately the same thing. one is transferring files from your phone to your pc without an internet connection, one is sharing your internet connection on your phone to your pc. i'm not trying to be difficult, i just dont see the similarities between the two (probably because there is none). you don't need an internet connection to do the former, you do to do the latter. you aren't transferring files from phone's sd card to pc in the latter, you are in the former. the former isn't against your TOS, the latter is. I dunno...i guess if you want to justify something, there's a million ways to do it.

    As for the reason they aren't going to court, again...it's cuz thats an utter waste of money. even if they did win against everyone who illegally tethered, they'd be out of millions of dollars. regardless of if it goes to arbitration or full on litigation, they'd be wasting time and money. the cheap, and quick way to do it is tiers...and they're going to do it. no chance, verizon would EVER go to court for something like that, no matter how much data abuse someone does. that's pure stupidity in every sense of the word.

    When (not if) they re-write your contract or tell you you have to change your contract if you want to renew it, they will allow you to opt out. In other words...they can't force you to sign it. So no, you would not win if you take it to court. Why? Because if you refused to sign it, you are free to leave. And if you do sign it...well...you signed it. Feigning ignorance about your contract is not going to work, as much as you'd like it to, buddy, just like saying i'm attacking you, when you asked me if I was afraid of answering your question doesn't work either...
     
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    Transferring via usb something you dl on the phone is NOT fundamentally the same thing.
    The way your CPU interacts with the net is different than the way your phone does, so even if the data is the "same", it is handled differently.

    Downloading a movie onto your phone and transferring it via USB just isn't practical, but if you wanted to do it there is nothing stopping you. Hooking your CPU up via tethering makes that type of download much more practical, and therefore much more likely. That takes up the bandwidth that everyone pays for. It is actually really damn selfish.

    I hope they switch to tiered and all the tetherers go to Sprint. The extra bandwidth will be sweet.

    You cannot argue with this fact; You signed up knowing the rules. Period, end of discussion. (Seriously I have nothing else to say)
     
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