Verizon Responds to Getting Called Out by FCC About Throttling LTE Unlimited Data

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    It appears that Big Red's recent move to start throttling some of its 4G LTE customers has caught the attention of the FCC. Tom Wheeler, the current Chairman of the FCC sent Verizon a letter regarding the carrier's decision to start throttling its 4G LTE users who use the most data. Verizon described their move as "Network Optimization," but even Mr. Wheeler was skeptical of this.

    Wheeler's letter expressed his concern that this was a nothing more than a method to grab additional revenue streams from customers. He said, "It is disturbing to me that Verizon Wireless would base its “network management” on distinctions among its customers’ data plans, rather than on network architecture or technology." Wheeler backed up his concern with three questions designed to probe Verizon for additional info. Here are those questions,

    Verizon has responded to his letter by saying they are working on a response, but for now they are standing behind their "network optimization."

    Here is Verizon's initial response,

    This seems like a typical response from the carrier. The big problem with this logic is that they are only throttling Unlimited Data plan users, instead of all "heavy users." This is a targeted measure and doesn't really improve the experience for all of their customers as they are claiming.

    What do you think of Verizon's motives? You can read the entire letter quoted below,

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    The distinction between unlimited and non-unlimited is what is going to kill them. If they throttle across the board, whether they can charge for the extra data usage or not, then they will be fine. Obviously this is another motive to get people to give up unlimited data, and to maximize profit (by not throttling those that get charged overage fees).

    All in all it is terrible PR across the board and they should rethink it entirely before more users jump to the other carriers.
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    I think the FCCs probing questions are great and well worded. I'm so f'ing happy they brought up the 700Mhz band open platform rules. I know ints a pipe dream but I want this kind of probing to extend into the FIOS and Comcast BS too.
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    I think were screwed. No more unlimited.
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    Nice to see the FCC stepping in here to challenge the BS Verizon is trying to pull.

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    Come on FCC, don't use any lube on VZW!
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    They're not getting rid of unlimited, they're just souring the milk just enough to get you off of the teat. I called it a while ago that when the GF Unlimiteds got to a predetermined percentage we were going to get hacked off.
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    I'd like to see the answer to #3 where it specifically states "no limiting, no restricting, no denial of abilities". The definition of throttle may not be denial but by definition it does meet the criteria of what Verizon agreed they would not do , are not allowed to do.
    I don't think it'd be cost effective to force unlimited data users off of the ,agreed to terms in question, C block.
    Verizon's only hope, to me, is the federal governments ineptness to enforce regulation violators bigger than a mom/pop farm.

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    Personally, I think I'm already being throttled.....and have been for the last year. When we first got our S3s, almost 2 1/2 years ago, our speeds were averaging 20-25mbps up, after about a year it dropped to an average of 5-6mbps up, sometimes less. I live in a small town so there can't be THAT much network congestion. I can understand a slight drop during peak hours, but not that much. When we first got our new S5s, speeds were averaging between 17-20 mbps up, during peak hours, the last week or so I've been averaging 5-8mbps up.....here's a screen shot just taken, during non peak hours. [​IMG]
    Seems a bit fishy to me.
    Town next to ours just got XLTE , so I'm going to drive over after work (about 20 min away) and do a speed test to see what the difference is.
    If my current average is 5-8mbps and they throttle THOSE speeds, I won't be very happy. I may look into switching to TMo, even though they have crappy service everywhere outside of town. We'll see.
    To be continued.....

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    For what it's worth I usually see a big drop in speed around lunch hour and rush hour.
    Try later and see what happens.
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    I've found also that the older the hardware get's the more lazy the radio becomes. Also, sammy antennas are notorious for not giving the best signal strength vs other similarly compared brands.

    On another note, I'm using more of my 4G data to torrent now that TWC has cast the first stone with a cease and desist letter of me doing so. I am dropping them for FIOS, which is very ironic considering I'm dropping Verizon wireless for TMo...

    ...but not yet.
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    No go....after 3pm here. Pretty sad LTE speeds. [​IMG]

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    That is the EXACT thing happening to us as well. We live in the Sticks
    and we use to get 25 mbs now its down to 3 or as slow as .04!!
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    The only reason I think that is because I can drive 4 or 5 miles in any direction which would put me on a new tower and my speeds immediately jump back up to 25mbps. Obviously they know where I live and are throttling me on my "home" tower. Bastages! LOL Usually I can still stream content without a problem, but there are some days there's no point, I can sit there for 20 minutes trying to watch a 7 min YouTube clip.

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    I don't' think you're being throttled at all. It all depends where I am and what server I test from.

    I can get 30Mbps+ on XLTE at work and I get 7Mbps normally at the house.
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    I'm at a loss as to what it is then. Simple network traffic? I doubt it. We got LTE in our area a couple months before we got our S3s. First couple months speeds were amazing at my house. Then they dropped significantly. Exact same thing happened when we got our S5s last month, speeds were in the 20s at home for the first week or two, now their pathetic. I understand speeds fluctuate throughout the day, but I've tested the speeds during different times/days etc, no difference. Of course if I leave that area/tower, they go back up. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.... lol

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    We were one of the first few cities to get LTE. Had a thunderbolt, LTE was awesome. Then everyone else got LTE and this is what it is today. Can't change it.
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