Net Neutrality Rules Overturned By FCC

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  1. pc747

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    Nope, I do not think those that are against NN are dumb. My point was that most people was unaware one way or another. And I am one who will listen to both sides of an argument and agree that there were issues with Title II. We discussed on this forum the challenges and frustrations as a result of cable companies being under the umbrella of a utility company.

    So I am one who opens my mind to looking at both sides of a debate and welcomes those who agree or disagree with NN.

    Plus there is always a debate whether to trust the government or business, and my thought is that they both can be corrupt so we need enough protections in place to protect consumers while allowing for free market.
     
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    Lol it's funny seeing people say 'oh they won't block/throttle/deny services because they are trying to make money and don't want to lose customers'.

    Lol so what do you do when you don't have options to leave, then what? I hate company A so I'm going to company B. But wait, they are equally priced and equally bending you over. There's a strategic reason for similar pricing and servicing guys.

    But whatever, ppl care more about Snapchat and non-essential gossip.
     
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    Majority of Americans are uninformed and careless about anything tech related. I can ask 10 of my friends what net neutrality is and only one will know.
    Just like phones, they buy what is fed to them or what their friends have. You have government representatives that think Guam will tip over and sink if you put too many troops on it
    You have a clown running white house with more lies in 1 year then other ones during their whole career!
     
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    Comcast used to do something like that with Netflix. They'd slow the network to a crawl during "peak" internet times so users would want to watch Xfinity instead. Other companies have blocked voice over IP or Skype in the past, another ISP would redirect users' Google searches through their own search service. The fact of the matter is, they don't care. They do what will profit them because they know you need them. In many markets there's only one or two options max. Where I am, Comcast is my only option.
     
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    The problem I have with this argument is that it is impossible to know if Commiecast was doing that purposely to Netflix or if so many people were streaming Netflix in HD at peak times that they had to do that to make sure everyone was getting a decent speed on the network in that area. The problem with these debates is people forget that bandwidth is a finite resource. It can only sustain a certain amount of traffic. That was my biggest problem with NN was it limited the network providers' ability to manage a finite resource. Yes that can open up the opportunity for fraud (I am not saying Commiecast didn't purposely do what you said, just that it is impossible to know for sure). But there needs to be protections in place for some guarantee of QoS for those that aren't hogging bandwidth.
     
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    Everyone seems to be focused primarily on whether or not they're going to be charged extra to watch their Netflix. The regulations (300+ pages) that were repealed covered FAR more items than whether a provider can throttle certain websites and/or charge a fee for accessing them. Government Regulations almost always favor the large corporations (even when they complain about them) over the small startups. Anyone tried to start their own business?

    I'm quite excited to see what alternatives to the big cable/satellite companies are going to pop up here in the next couple of years now that the restrictive regulations have been repealed. To misquote Jurassic Park's Ian Malcomb, "Capitalism, uh, finds a way."
     
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    You got it completely wrong. Netflix is being used as an example since it has a history with comcash and there are a lot of articles of how they were exhorted by them. the same has happened with others but not much written about them so it was harder to provide a source to back up opinions.
     
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    First before I make my comment, good job on not only keeping this to the subject but having a debate that has remain civil and respectful. It is good we actually have people who are on both sides of the debate as that may be the way at times to get the best picture. One may not agree with the other's viewpoint and want to counter argue. And frankly that is what a solid debate should be about.

    So good job all of you for keeping this debate respectful.

    Now to my post:

    It would be nice to get competition to break up some of these "big cable" companies. As I said before, despite some of the goods of NN I have to agree that was it's glaring weakness, that it still allowed companies like Comcast and Charter to continue to grow unchecked.

    With that said, big cable is going to go, "You can have your own cable company but you can not use my poles, my wires, my infrastructure".

    Mom and Pop cable companies are not going to have the money to grease the pockets of Johnny Law and be able to set up shop in many of these towns. We are seeing this issues play out right now with Google Fiber. Yeah they get a small victory here only to get defeated in a town nearby as companies like ATT have been doing the elbow greasing for years.

    I am not saying to hinder the chances of mom and pop cable companies from being able to compete. What I am trying to ask is even with Title II now gone how are small mom and pop cable companies going to be able to set up shop in a town that frankly belong to said big cable company?
     
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    Ajit claims NN Laws stopped carries from innovating and expanding. Verizon admitted: it really didn't. ATT moved into my neighborhood 3 months ago. I have a choice of 2 providers for the first time ever.

    I don't think pro repeal people are dumb or uneducated. But I do have issue with the ones who are only for repeal for one reason. "We have too many regulations". If that's the ONLY reason? Uhm...

    LINK TO THE FULL T2 DOCUMENT

    Skim that.
     
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    yea there are too many regulations but the problem is we have too many companies who need to be regulated. look what happened with the airlines when government took away regulations. you now have fees for everything and they are not required to tell you the fees in advance. so if you want to fly, you better be prepare to pay a whole lot more than the advertised ticket price. this could be the future for the internet. fees on everything...in addition to the contract costs.
     
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    I was just thinking this! This the most civil discussion this topic I've ever had. Well down, posters!
     
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