[UPDATE] XDA, CyanogenMod joins Google & Wiki on Blackout

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  1. rubiksc00p

    rubiksc00p Senior Member

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    First. Even though it is a violation of constitutional rights, that aside, what about the future. Remember "Give a Mouse a Cookie"? Once the camel gets his nose under the tent then it's all over.

    Second. It already is illegal to copyright or have copyright infringements. Why in the world do we need to make another law that violates the due process of law and when the Government can actually shut down a _private_ website. No trial, no notice, boom gone! In the current law, under the DMCA, if the original owner or copyright office asks a content provider to remove something, they are expected to. Why should we make a law where the government can do it themselves?

    Third. It's not just pirating sites. Say Google came up with a search result to a site the Government didn't like. The government can have the power to shut down those results. Even though Google has done nothing and the Government is violating their company's privacy. Under current law, they can be asked by the owner and are expected to. I have seen the link at the bottom of Google sometimes that says something like "A few sites were omitted because thy were in violation of the DMCA." Why isn't that law enough?
     
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    The only reason it is a First Amendment concern is because it allows basically any website to be taken down under the guise of fighting piracy. And if you don't think that will happen, just imagine DCMA takedown notices on steroids, and that is SOPA.
     
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    I think you're slightly exaggerating the impact of piracy. The availability of content has stopped most users from purchasing physical items. Ill give you an easy example.

    I used to buy VHS/DVD/Tapes/CD's for years, ever since I was kid I remember going out and buying these things. I used to go to the movies nearly every weekend as a kid. Well, once Digital Cable came out and PayPerView was all the rage, I stopped buying movies... I still occasionally go to BlockBuster or Rhino Video and rent a movie (until about a year ago), but it was much easier to just order it and go...

    I have pirated, but trust me when I say that the majority of things I pirated, I would never pay for. Think of it as a Demo, sure I downloaded "Random Software" but I didnt need it, I just wanted to see what it was all about. Its no different then going to a Retail store, buying something, then returning it after you had your fun ** Cough - Barns and Noble, thanks for the nook trial - Cough ** And EVERYONE has done this at one point. Take a test drive ;-)

    Loooong story short. This has nothing to do with Piracy, the DMCA already polices the internet for Piracy...

    This is about control. Either we keep it, or we give it away. I personally dont trust a bunch of old politicians with my interwebz.

    /endrant

    PayPerView, Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, Pandora, Shoutcast, are all legit ways to watch/listen to content for cheap or free... This is revenue is down in the ent. industry. People dont want to spend $10 in gas to spend $15 on a dvd when they can rent the thing from their living room on demand for $5
     
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    You sound like Europe before WW2. All that is need to take away our freedoms is one simple opening. Do not ever say it does not affect me...........

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    What censorship?

    That is the point here. Everyone cries FREE SPEECH and CENSORSHIP, and yet I have not seen where this would be the case.

    I see where anyone trafficking in illegal products could be silenced, but I don't know that people openly committing crimes have a right to do so, hence it wouldn't be a crime.
     
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    But you keep mentioning Constitution, while you have not shown the following to be true:

    1) You have no Constitutional Right to the Internet, either access or content.
    2) You have not shown where this right that doesn't exist, is being hurt by people going after pirates.

    Until you can explain those two items, I guess there isn't really anything to talk about. We are arguing hypotheticals at this point...
     
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    If you don't get it, please watch this.
    http://on.ted.com/ACxO
     
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    I don't trust politicians either, I am just saying that the people that we are stealing from, do have a right to try to stop us from continuing to steal from them.

    While I may not like it, I do understand it and I am hardly in a position to give a credible argument as to why I should be allowed to keep stealing from them. LOL
     
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    What freedom is being taken away?

    Not the bumper sticker slogans and media buzz words that people are throwing out without really understanding them... what actual freedoms is this going to cost us?

    Be specific. Not hypotheticals, not maybe's, not "what if's"... specifics that this actually violates.
     
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    Instead of continuing to play devil's advocate, please just watch the video I linked above. It's a much more articulate explanation than you'll get here.
     
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    Google shows search results for The Pirate Bay? Google can now get shut down.
    Someone posts a link to an online movie on Facebook? Facebook can now get shut down.
    Someone posts a link to a ROM containing proprietary software (which all of them do) on this very forum? Now this site can get shut down.
    Did those sites do anything wrong? Nope. Clean hands all around. Yet they can get shut down, and they don't even have to be told about it before it happens.

    Ever seen some of the horror stories of DMCA takedown notices for no good reason? Now imagine the entire website getting shut down, instead of the one page, link, what have you. That is SOPA/PIPA.


    Let's put it this way. I make music myself. I myself am a copyright holder, and I still oppose this bill. It does nothing to help my copyright - it's very easily circumvented, especially now that DNS blocking has been removed - and destroys sites that were doing nothing wrong in the first place.
     
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    Due process, for one.
     
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