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No, what I am saying is that how is pirating software or music/movies a First Amendment issue?

People keep crying "FREE SPEECH!" but I have yet to see where Free Speech is affected by this... If you are selling bootleg DVD's on the street and the cops make you stop, is that violating your right to Free Speech?

Why does anything on the internet automatically make people think that it is a first Amendment issue? Using something like the internet for something illegal, makes that usage of the internet illegal, hence the people who get prosecuted for distributing or downloading kiddie porn. We don't hear about Free Speech when their websites get shut down, do we?

You should just move to china where they have this kind of censorship already in place if you feel so strong about it. I know that most people abuse the internet but the majority use it to keep up to date on mundane stuff and technology.... Yes I did my share of lime ware back in the days but at the same time we really need to be well informed when it comes to thus bill..... Not everything is clear as water..... :banghead:

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Im not quite sure how to not make it political when talking...politics...

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Political meaning pointing fingers to either Dems or Reps...

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Translation: I don't really have an answer, but I did respond to say that I won't respond, which is in itself a response.

Which, in turn, translates into you not getting the point. That I am still honoring the Oath that I took. To defend the Constitution. And to fight all enemies - foreign AND DOMESTIC.

Where did I mention in there that I am a pirate? No where. If defending the Constitution and my rights makes me a pirate. Than I am a proud pirate. If not agreeing with obama and his staff and cabinet makes me a racist, than I am a proud racist. I will say this, if Colon Powell ran for President, he would have had my vote in the blink of an eye. Now fall.me a racist. I dare you.

Therefore, I will not respond to any more of your posts. I will pretend that you no longer exist. I am starting to lose my temper, so I will back off like a man so I don't break any of the forum rules.

Ask P3 if I am a pirate.

http://www.galaxynexusforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1749

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First. Even though it is a violation of constitutional rights, that aside, what about the future. Remember "Give a Mouse a Cookie"? Once the camel gets his nose under the tent then it's all over.

Second. It already is illegal to copyright or have copyright infringements. Why in the world do we need to make another law that violates the due process of law and when the Government can actually shut down a _private_ website. No trial, no notice, boom gone! In the current law, under the DMCA, if the original owner or copyright office asks a content provider to remove something, they are expected to. Why should we make a law where the government can do it themselves?

Third. It's not just pirating sites. Say Google came up with a search result to a site the Government didn't like. The government can have the power to shut down those results. Even though Google has done nothing and the Government is violating their company's privacy. Under current law, they can be asked by the owner and are expected to. I have seen the link at the bottom of Google sometimes that says something like "A few sites were omitted because thy were in violation of the DMCA." Why isn't that law enough?
 

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No, what I am saying is that how is pirating software or music/movies a First Amendment issue?

People keep crying "FREE SPEECH!" but I have yet to see where Free Speech is affected by this... If you are selling bootleg DVD's on the street and the cops make you stop, is that violating your right to Free Speech?

Why does anything on the internet automatically make people think that it is a first Amendment issue? Using something like the internet for something illegal, makes that usage of the internet illegal, hence the people who get prosecuted for distributing or downloading kiddie porn. We don't hear about Free Speech when their websites get shut down, do we?

The only reason it is a First Amendment concern is because it allows basically any website to be taken down under the guise of fighting piracy. And if you don't think that will happen, just imagine DCMA takedown notices on steroids, and that is SOPA.
 

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I agree, it is hard to define "loss" in these cases. While they can look at my 20,000+ MP3 collection that I downloaded over the years or got from friends and say that at $1.99 a song, they "lost" almost 40 grand in sales, just from me, I don't know that it would hold up, as I could point out that I wouldn't have purchased all these songs were they not easily downloaded, that we often download things "just because we can", but we don't want it enough to actually go pay for it otherwise... But I think that we can agree that when you look at the millions of people doing it, the "loss" is pretty substantial, no?

It's easy for us to sit back and complain about SOPA, but if we were in charge of running those companies and we had invested millions or billions into our products and we saw blatant, rampant theft all over the place, we would be pissed and want to put a stop to it. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

I think you're slightly exaggerating the impact of piracy. The availability of content has stopped most users from purchasing physical items. Ill give you an easy example.

I used to buy VHS/DVD/Tapes/CD's for years, ever since I was kid I remember going out and buying these things. I used to go to the movies nearly every weekend as a kid. Well, once Digital Cable came out and PayPerView was all the rage, I stopped buying movies... I still occasionally go to BlockBuster or Rhino Video and rent a movie (until about a year ago), but it was much easier to just order it and go...

I have pirated, but trust me when I say that the majority of things I pirated, I would never pay for. Think of it as a Demo, sure I downloaded "Random Software" but I didnt need it, I just wanted to see what it was all about. Its no different then going to a Retail store, buying something, then returning it after you had your fun ** Cough - Barns and Noble, thanks for the nook trial - Cough ** And EVERYONE has done this at one point. Take a test drive ;-)

Loooong story short. This has nothing to do with Piracy, the DMCA already polices the internet for Piracy...

This is about control. Either we keep it, or we give it away. I personally dont trust a bunch of old politicians with my interwebz.

/endrant

PayPerView, Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, Pandora, Shoutcast, are all legit ways to watch/listen to content for cheap or free... This is revenue is down in the ent. industry. People dont want to spend $10 in gas to spend $15 on a dvd when they can rent the thing from their living room on demand for $5
 

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You sound like Europe before WW2. All that is need to take away our freedoms is one simple opening. Do not ever say it does not affect me...........

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You should just move to china where they have this kind of censorship already in place if you feel so strong about it. I know that most people abuse the internet but the majority use it to keep up to date on mundane stuff and technology.... Yes I did my share of lime ware back in the days but at the same time we really need to be well informed when it comes to thus bill..... Not everything is clear as water..... :banghead:

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What censorship?

That is the point here. Everyone cries FREE SPEECH and CENSORSHIP, and yet I have not seen where this would be the case.

I see where anyone trafficking in illegal products could be silenced, but I don't know that people openly committing crimes have a right to do so, hence it wouldn't be a crime.
 

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Which, in turn, translates into you not getting the point. That I am still honoring the Oath that I took. To defend the Constitution. And to fight all enemies - foreign AND DOMESTIC.

Where did I mention in there that I am a pirate? No where. If defending the Constitution and my rights makes me a pirate. Than I am a proud pirate. If not agreeing with obama and his staff and cabinet makes me a racist, than I am a proud racist. I will say this, if Colon Powell ran for President, he would have had my vote in the blink of an eye. Now fall.me a racist. I dare you.

Therefore, I will not respond to any more of your posts. I will pretend that you no longer exist. I am starting to lose my temper, so I will back off like a man so I don't break any of the forum rules.

Ask P3 if I am a pirate.

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I hope Google and others succeed in the SOPA pretest. And I hope it leaves a bad taste in the government's mouth. And it won't taste like a SOPA-pilla
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The SOPA thing really brings home my signatures, doesn't it?
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Isn't it funny how when you put the word "The" and the word "IRS" together, it spells "theirs? " Coincidence? I think not.

But you keep mentioning Constitution, while you have not shown the following to be true:

1) You have no Constitutional Right to the Internet, either access or content.
2) You have not shown where this right that doesn't exist, is being hurt by people going after pirates.

Until you can explain those two items, I guess there isn't really anything to talk about. We are arguing hypotheticals at this point...
 

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What censorship?

That is the point here. Everyone cries FREE SPEECH and CENSORSHIP, and yet I have not seen where this would be the case.

I see where anyone trafficking in illegal products could be silenced, but I don't know that people openly committing crimes have a right to do so, hence it wouldn't be a crime.

If you don't get it, please watch this.
http://on.ted.com/ACxO
 

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I think you're slightly exaggerating the impact of piracy. The availability of content has stopped most users from purchasing physical items. Ill give you an easy example.

I used to buy VHS/DVD/Tapes/CD's for years, ever since I was kid I remember going out and buying these things. I used to go to the movies nearly every weekend as a kid. Well, once Digital Cable came out and PayPerView was all the rage, I stopped buying movies... I still occasionally go to BlockBuster or Rhino Video and rent a movie (until about a year ago), but it was much easier to just order it and go...

I have pirated, but trust me when I say that the majority of things I pirated, I would never pay for. Think of it as a Demo, sure I downloaded "Random Software" but I didnt need it, I just wanted to see what it was all about. Its no different then going to a Retail store, buying something, then returning it after you had your fun ** Cough - Barns and Noble, thanks for the nook trial - Cough ** And EVERYONE has done this at one point. Take a test drive ;-)

Loooong story short. This has nothing to do with Piracy, the DMCA already polices the internet for Piracy...

This is about control. Either we keep it, or we give it away. I personally dont trust a bunch of old politicians with my interwebz.

/endrant

PayPerView, Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, Pandora, Shoutcast, are all legit ways to watch/listen to content for cheap or free... This is revenue is down in the ent. industry. People dont want to spend $10 in gas to spend $15 on a dvd when they can rent the thing from their living room on demand for $5

I don't trust politicians either, I am just saying that the people that we are stealing from, do have a right to try to stop us from continuing to steal from them.

While I may not like it, I do understand it and I am hardly in a position to give a credible argument as to why I should be allowed to keep stealing from them. LOL
 

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You sound like Europe before WW2. All that is need to take away our freedoms is one simple opening. Do not ever say it does not affect me...........

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What freedom is being taken away?

Not the bumper sticker slogans and media buzz words that people are throwing out without really understanding them... what actual freedoms is this going to cost us?

Be specific. Not hypotheticals, not maybe's, not "what if's"... specifics that this actually violates.
 

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What freedom is being taken away?

Not the bumper sticker slogans and media buzz words that people are throwing out without really understanding them... what actual freedoms is this going to cost us?

Be specific. Not hypotheticals, not maybe's, not "what if's"... specifics that this actually violates.

Instead of continuing to play devil's advocate, please just watch the video I linked above. It's a much more articulate explanation than you'll get here.
 

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What censorship?

That is the point here. Everyone cries FREE SPEECH and CENSORSHIP, and yet I have not seen where this would be the case.

I see where anyone trafficking in illegal products could be silenced, but I don't know that people openly committing crimes have a right to do so, hence it wouldn't be a crime.
Google shows search results for The Pirate Bay? Google can now get shut down.
Someone posts a link to an online movie on Facebook? Facebook can now get shut down.
Someone posts a link to a ROM containing proprietary software (which all of them do) on this very forum? Now this site can get shut down.
Did those sites do anything wrong? Nope. Clean hands all around. Yet they can get shut down, and they don't even have to be told about it before it happens.

Ever seen some of the horror stories of DMCA takedown notices for no good reason? Now imagine the entire website getting shut down, instead of the one page, link, what have you. That is SOPA/PIPA.


Let's put it this way. I make music myself. I myself am a copyright holder, and I still oppose this bill. It does nothing to help my copyright - it's very easily circumvented, especially now that DNS blocking has been removed - and destroys sites that were doing nothing wrong in the first place.
 

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What freedom is being taken away?

Not the bumper sticker slogans and media buzz words that people are throwing out without really understanding them... what actual freedoms is this going to cost us?

Be specific. Not hypotheticals, not maybe's, not "what if's"... specifics that this actually violates.

Due process, for one.
 
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