Trick to upgrade after June 28 and still keep unlimited data...?

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    Well, I would say that this isn't worth arguing over, except that I'm the one who started the thread.
    I just thought it would be an interesting strategy (but only if it works--but then, any strategy is interesting if it works!)
    Anyway, this doesn't apply to me since I've made up my mind that I'm getting the SGS3 on June 25 unless there is some official word from Motorola or Verizon about the still-mythical Droid Razr HD.
    But it seems to me that "Aaron" has a situation that requires several elements:
    1) You need to be on a family plan, where you have an unlimited data plan, and at least one other person has tiered data
    2) That other person has to not care about changing their own phone
    3) That other person has to have an upgrade coming up (although I suppose theoretically the upgrade could come many months out)

    This is not so unique, I think...I have a family plan, and my mother-in-law has an upgrade coming up, she cares nothing about having the latest and greatest phone. I could wait for the (still mythical) Razr HD to come out in July/August and pull this stunt. But if I'm wrong, I've lost out on the my best chance (the SGS3) to get a subsidized 4G flagship phone while keeping my unlimited data.
    That's too big a risk to take, especially since there's nothing wrong with the SGS3 (except maybe the "plastic-y" case, but I'll get a cover for it anyway). And as nikecar pointed out a while back, if it wasn't for the rumored Razr HD, I wouldn't hesitate to get the Galaxy S III. So, I'm not hesitating.
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    I posted something about this in another thread, but I'll ask here too. I have an upgrade coming up in July, I just changed to a family plan to get my wife in on the double data. Would I be able to swap my upgrade to her line, then swap that phone back to my number?
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    Folks, you have to understand that Verizon doesn't care which phone is on which plan, as long as any smartphone is on a data plan, and all data plans have smartphones. This would work. The person who "upgrades" is going to be bound to a contract for SERVICE!!! They are NOT bound to the phone. Verizon is going to subsidize the PURCHASE (key word - once you own it, you own it, end of story), of the phone, but they will then recover the subsidized cost of the phone by receiving the SERVICE fees over the next 24 months. Verizon only has claim to the service of the original purchaser over the next 24 months, or an early termination fee if they discontinue service, in order to recover their subsidized cost.

    Once the phone is purchased, what's done is done. What anyone does with that phone afterwards has NO bearing on the plan that the next person puts that phone on. It's a car in a new driveway, and the dealership has no claim to the new driveway or the new car. The only claim they have is to the driveway that purchased the car and the person respoinsible for that driveway.
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    As usual, FoxKat, you cut through the confusion and get to the essential point.
    There's been so much confusion between "phone", "contract", "service", "plan", etc., that we were chasing ourselves in circles. Thanks for straightening things out!

    P.S., I've been meaning to say, I LOVE your avatar! That was one of my favorite shows!
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    I'm currently on a family plan with unlimited data. I need to upgrade my phone (cracked screen), and don't want to pay full price for a phone. I also don't want a phone with a freaking huge screen, so the S3 is out. I would get the Rezound, but one of the several ways that Verizon is screwing customers right now is to have the $79.99 deal for the Rezound online only. It's still $200 in the store.

    Of course, another way that Verizon is screwing with customers is by pushing back the release of the DInc 4G LTE (4-inch screen) until after the 6/28 doomsday.

    I've gone into two Verizon stores and spoken to two Verizon sales reps about the new shared data plans. Their employees are very well programmed in the rhetoric to make customers think the new shared data plans are a good thing. For example, I was told that I would be paying $30 less each month by switching to a new plan with data sharing. After my company's discount, I currently pay a little over $180 for 1400 minutes (unlimited M2M, any network, unlimited messaging, and family & friends), two lines at $9.99 each, unlimited data for two phones (2 x $29.99), and insurance for two smartphones (2 x $6.99), and taxes/fees.

    Anyway, the sales rep I spoke with today said that instead of paying $60 for unlimited data, I would be paying $70 for sharing 4GB, but the other charges would be less, and I would get unlimited calls to anyone (mobile or landline.)

    Currently, we use 0.3 GB per month, but my wife is reluctant to lose our unlimited because she may want to start streaming TV shows and movies outside the house. We have our phones connected to our WiFi at home.

    So, can someone lay this out for me? Should I be trying to hold on tooth and nail to my unlimited data? Is it worth the $30 more each month (plus the cost of paying full-price for a phone) that I supposedly would continue to pay by not switching?
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    Oh, and of course, if were to buy the Rezound online at $79.99, I would lose my unlimited data.
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    Thank you, and p.s. thank you again. I really do try to give the definitive facts to subjects of discussion. The confusion is rampant, but there are a few who truly "get it" in just about any discussion.

    I really appreciate it when i hear that someone had benefited from my painstaking research. I do it for you and for three personal satisfaction it gives me. :D

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    Rather than quote the previous message i choose to quote this one, but my answer will be the same. For me, they'll have to Peru unlimited data from my rigor mortised hands.

    There are two schools of thought here regarding data consumption. One I strongly advise is that data consumption has no where to go but up. Faster processors, multi-core processors, cloud servers, wireless sync, streaming of audio & video, radio, tv & movies moving to the internet, less expensive hard drives, more plentiful and larger capacity Micro-SD cards, cloud based or server side applications (wood processing, spreadsheets, powerpoint presentations), collaboration via the Web, and the list goes on. Any attempt to convince the customer they'd be better off on a tiered plan than an unlimited plan is done for one reason...to take back control from the customer in order to assure increased profits for the future. I don't believe they have my best interests in mind. Don't do me any favors.

    The other school of thought is a question. Why pay more for something you aren't taking full advantage of. If you are only using a fraction of the amount of days in a tiered plan that would be less expensive, and that less expensive plan also gives you additional phone calling benefits, then it's a no-brainer. They may be right for those less technically savvy. I don't see the greatest percentage of people in the upper age groups using over 4GB/month for quite a long time.

    I still believe that for the ready of us the unlimited data will far outweigh savings of a tiered plan in the long run.



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    Thanks. I think I will pay the $200 for the Rezound, and keep my unlimited data, at least for now. If I start using my phone (or a tablet) for business, I will tell my employer that they will be picking up the cost. And while the new shared plan does give more phone calling benefits, the fact is that we don't use close to our 1400 minutes, because of the free M2M (any network) and the family/friends, so we would not be getting any new calling benefits from the new plan. I think most people are in the same situation, and Verizon can afford to be "generous" when it comes to calling because nobody is calling anymore.
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    the $80 rezound

    I do not understand why you cannot order the 79.99 rezound and still keep your unlimited.(provided you are eligable for an upgrade like me) I plan on doing this on 6/26 or 6/27. I am hoping that the INC3 will preorder but I do not think that it will.

    I had a chat session yesterday with VZW and was assured that the purchase has to be locked in before COB on 6/27. Turning the phone on will not matter after the 28th because you are already in your agreement.

    The chat lady originally told me that I had to order yesterday to ensure the Rezound was turned on by the 28th. I replied "what if the fedex truck takes a week" She said they never do. I then asked for her to ask her supervisor. She claimed he was super busy but came back in a couple of minutes and said that the order needs to be before the end of the 27th, not the phone registration.

    good luck
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    Well, good news for me. Apparently the sales rep I spoke with previously was misinformed or was lying, because I found out from another VZW store that I could upgrade online and keep my unlimited data, so I was able to get the Rezound for 80 bucks.
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    I don't see the greatest percentage of people in the upper age groups using over 4GB/month for quite a long time.

    I still believe that for the ready of us the unlimited data will far outweigh savings of a tiered plan in the long run.


    I am upper aged and I for one resent the insult be it fact or opinion... I have unlimited data and so does my wife,my daughter has an old texting type phone,no data plan... and wants an iphone.... wifey and my daughter are due for upgrades since march, I use 30-40GB of data a month on my razr maxx I will not curb my usage, My wife wants the galaxy and my daughter will get her iphone.... i will be getting a tiered data plan on my daughters line , giving her the iphone which she will upgrade to the galaxy and then giving the galaxy back to the wife, after swapping the numbers, this should hopefully retain my unlimited data on both lines while upgrading both devices, in theory it works, some one else read through and tell me the fatal flaws in my plan....



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    Verizon will not force the new shared plans. If you upgrade at the reduced price you can keep your current plan but you will lose the unlimited data for that phone and now have to pay 30 for 2gigs or whatever you want. Your other phones data and your current plan will not change if your do not want them too.

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    From Verizon Customer Support

    Update: I have done this firsthand and can confirm that it works. I transferred my upgrade to my girlfriend, upgraded her phone, and then switched it to my line the day after. My unlimited is intact and I paid the subsidized price. Nice trick!

    I am going to do this tomorrow when my upgrade is available. According to a VZW rep, it should be fine. Here is what a VZW representative told me just now over chat:

    info: Please hold for a Verizon Wireless sales representative to assist you with your order. Thank you for your patience.
    info: You are now chatting with 'Stephanie G'

    Stephanie G: Hello. Thank you for visiting our chat service. May I help you with your order today?
    You: Hello, I actually had a question about upgrading if that's ok.
    Stephanie G: I'd be happy to assist you.
    You: I am on a family plan (with two lines) and I have unlimited data. I was wondering, if I transfer my upgrade (which I am eligible for tomorrow) to the other line and get a subsidized phone on that line, can I then swap phones with that line to retain my unlimited data with a new phone?
    Stephanie G: Does the line you'd be "transferring" it to have unlimited data?
    You: No, it does not. The other line is on a 2Gb plan.
    Stephanie G: Okay perfect. Yeah, just transfer it to that line and then you can activate the phone on your line to keep the unlimited data!
    You: Thank You!
    Stephanie G: You're welcome! D
    Stephanie G: It has been my pleasure to chat with you today! Please feel free to re-open the chat session if you need further assistance . Thank you and have a great day!
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    Tried this and it didn't work. In my case Phone A has unlimited data and is eligible for upgrade. Phone B has 2 GB for $30 tiered plan and no current upgrade. I transferred the upgrade from Phone A to Phone B online and went through the upgrade steps for Phone B. It asked me to confirm a data plan for phone B, and already said "Current Plan" or something similar next to the 2 GB tiered option, which I elected to continue for that phone. It never asked me anything about Phone A - the one the upgrade was coming from. Finished checkout and paid for the phone (Friday).

    Called back today (Saturday) to confirm, the rep said that once the phone is activated it will actually be Phone A that is kicked off the unlimited plan and moved to the 2 GB tiered plan as well, even though I distinctly remember the icon and number for Phone B at the top of the data plan selection screen, and it never asked me anything about Phone A after I initially did the 'transfer upgrade' election on the device upgrade splash page. But the rep was adamant that Phone A will be losing unlimited data even though the upgrade was transferred and I never selected a new data plan for Phone A. The fail on my part was not taking screen shots.

    So to anyone trying to manage their upgrade path via the online utility: make sure you take screen shots. They might not help, but at least you won't be kicking yourself for retaining as much evidence as you can. Personally if I could do it again I would execute the transactions at a Verizon retail location.

    Please post if you have other evidence to this effect. Good luck guys.
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    Current chat with representative:


    ...The system sure looked like it was working when I used it:

    • the 'Transfer Upgrade' button was available on devices with eligible upgrades on the 'Upgrade Devices' page
    • when clicked, it allowed me to select which of my four lines to transfer the upgrade to
    • when I selected one of the remaining three lines it asked me to confirm that the transferee's future upgrade date would be reciprocally switched to the transferror line
    • once accepted it allowed it me to select contract extension terms for the transferee line, and never made any mention of the transferror line again
    • there was never any indication that this system wasn't functioning appropriately

    If I knew that the system was broke and I was actually agreeing to terms for the transferror line I would have much rather paid full retail price and retained unlimited data...to cover my 8GB usage I'll be paying $60 more a month for 24 months ($1440) to save $450 today. Obviously I wouldn't have gone the upgrade route if the online system had provided me the correct information. Preparing for the customer service nightmare battle of a lifetime.
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    Hmm. That is too bad (and of course doesn't make sense). I did it by upgrading in store and had no issues, but I almost went the online route and any reasonable person would assume that the methods should give the same result. Your experience sounds pretty ridiculous.
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    Hi crownjbl,

    So, did you do the entire process in person, in a store? Including the phone switch back as well, or did you do any of the process online at vzw.com?

    I ask because I am only a week away from my eligibility date, and I want to make sure I can get the new iPhone 5 (LTE!!!), and still retain my $30 unlimited data plan.

    Thanks!
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    Yes, It was finally all figured out. I was only saying in this thread what I was told by a couple reps before the actual plans ever started. Typical vzw practice, no two reps know the same info. LOL
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    I had the exact same experience. Did everything on the 2nd line but the upgrade and activation remained on the 1st line in the order confirmation. Canceled the order.
    :angry:
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