Google voice screwed me

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  1. HamDog

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    So many people misunderstand the principle behind GV. GV was meant as a forwarding service. Friends and family call your GV number and it rings the phone of your choosing (home phone, cell phone, work phone, etc.). I believe that is how it was marketed.

    A secondary benefit was to make long distance calls for free from your home phone. Many people don't have unlimited long distance (within the U.S.) on their home phones. You would tell GV to "connect" you with any number in the U.S. and you would not get charged.

    But this was never the purpose for cell phones as most people already have long distance included in their cell plans plans (may not be unlimited, but it's still included). You could use GV to call from your cell phone because your friends would then see your GV number on their caller ID, eventhough Google used a different number to dial.

    People started looking at loopholes in the system, such as adding the number Google uses to dial to their friends and family plans to get unlimited amount of calls rather than staying under the limits of their plan. This is why Google keeps changing the number it uses to dial!

    This has been known for some time, but obviously, not everyone is gonna get an e-mail about this. They didn't disable a feature or take anything away, they just closed this loophole.

    I love GV! I use it as it was intended. I give the number to all my friends and family. This way, my friends only have to dial one number to get in touch with me instead of calling my home and then my cell. And I have installed an app that automatically changes settings when I leave home, so my cell phone will ring when I'm away and my home phone will ring when I'm at home. Extremely convenient.

    And I do use GV to make all my calls through my cell phone. But the reason isn't to save minutes, but so my friends see my GV number on their called ID and know it's me.

    GV is awesome for it's intended purposes. But some complain about it screwing them because they closed a loophole. I don't believe it was their initial intention to screw phone companies out of their fees generated by minutes.
     
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    Sorry, but this post doesn't make sense to me. If it does to somebody please respond so I don't keep coming back to find out how dumb I was.
     
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    You are not alone.

    @OP

    The instructions for Google Voice as far back as at least May said that you had to monitor the number assigned to you for outgoing calls and make sure you had it as a Friends and Family number or you'd be paying per-minute.
     
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    Hkokbill, I think hysibm is just confused about the exact workings of Google Voice configured as a Voice Mail replacement and as a fully implemented calling/forwarding method...

    So @hysibm: If you want to use GV for outbound calling, you register a GV number. With the app installed on your phone, you're presented with an option to dial from your GV number or carrier number when you go to make a call. Outbound GV calls WILL use your carrier minutes since it's dialing a special Google access number that is NOT in your network. Your calls are then tunneled from point to point using Google's network, which is how they provide cheap international calling

    You can get around this limitation and get completely free outbound domestic calls by:

    1)Add your GV# to FnF and manually call your GV# to place an outbound call via the menu system; your GV# is the effective access number to Goog call servers.

    2)Add the local access number to your FnF and call as normal using your GV#. Downside to this is that it can periodically change and DOES change if you travel. I really don't recommend this method.

    3)Install GVMyNumber which integrates with native dialer. When you choose to dial using your GV#, GVMyNumber automatically dials your GV# and places the call. Add your GV# to FnF once and forget about it; your GV# is the effective access number to Goog call servers.

    To quickly ascertain which carrier a contact is on for outbound calls/texts, you can use something like VZW's FnF phone number verifier tool. Under their contact name suffix, simply append VZW, ATT, FnF etc; and you'll quickly be able to see which carrier they're on from the Rolodex before you make a call. It will look like this: Dave Blahblah, VZW



    There's nothing unethical about using GV for free outbound, domestic calls. Google can simply route & tunnel calls cheaper than the carriers would like you to believe is possible; you're leveraging this to your advantage via FnF, but you just need to know how to use the tools at your disposal properly. :)

    Cheers!
     
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    I never created a GV number. I chose to keep the one from Verizon. The only reason I have GV was it was much easier for me to use its app to retrieve voicemails instead of having to dial to get Verizon's (I'm disabled and have no use of my hands). So anything I can do to the phone to reduce the number of steps I have to take saves me a lot of time and frustration. Should I be worried if this is all I use it for? I would think not. Minutes are not an issue as most of my friends and family are on Verizon.
     
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    I think you're covered. The OP's issue was not taking all the required precautions. If in doubt try installing the My Verizon app and checking your minutes-to-date for the billing cycle. :)
     
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    Bingo.

    Note that Google has stated repeatedly the GV is not designed/intended to save you minutes.

    Most tech and Android discussion forum sites I frequent mentioned this long ago (and quite often for the forum sites). If you're going to rely on a trick then you also need to keep yourself up-to-date. You can't just set it and forget it.


    Meh. It's about as useful as "It's GV's fault and not my own" comments IMO.

    There are a number of other threads here that mention the rotating dial-out number as it's not new by any means. If those threads didn't educate everyone, how is this thread going to be different?

    FYI -- if you're not aware, GV's SMS forwarding can burn you as well.
     
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    Doesn't Google Voice warn you that carrier charges still apply? Did you think you found a free ride to making calls?
     
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    It's burning me and I don't even use it. I have a friend with unlimited texts but, for privacy concerns, will only text from GV. Net result? I had to up my texting limit from 250 to 500. Luckily finances had changed enough here that I could swing the extra $5 a month. Yes, money IS that tight here. :(
     
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    So you get a text msg and a google voice text msg? Why not turn off the txt msg and save 3 days of your life from deleting them in both locations
     
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    Man that's screwed up I just downloaded it as guess I will b deleting it for sure thanx man

    Using TapTalk Damnit
     
  12. HamDog

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    Not sure I understand this. Why would your bill be affected due to your friend choosing GV or VZ for SMS?

    I turned off SMS from Verizon and only use GV. And to others on this board, why would you even forward GV SMS to your regular SMS? What's the point in that? Why not just use GV as your default SMS once and for all?
     
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