Verizon Refuses to Change Stance on Google Wallet; Claims 'Not Blocking it' to FCC

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    Nearly two years have passed and nothing has been resolved regarding the potentially illegal blocking of Google Wallet by Verizon for phones on their network. In December of 2011, we shared that Verizon forced Google not to include Google Wallet on the Verizon version of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. At the time, Verizon claimed the reason was because Google Wallet presented a security issue that Verizon wasn't comfortable with. Industry speculation suggested the real reason because Verizon didn't want Google Wallet competing for consumers' attention on their phones because they were launching their own mobile payment system called ISIS.

    Things didn't progress very quickly beyond that. In December of 2012 (a full year later), we wrote a follow-up article in which more details were laid out. Verizon responded to the complaints by claiming Google Wallet was a security risk because it needed direct access to the secure element of the device. This was pointed out by several folks in the industry as blatant hypocrisy because Verizon's own ISIS payment app also requires the same access to the secure element of the device.

    Several C Block violation complaints with the FCC have been filed accusing Verizon of blocking Google Wallet, yet five months later almost nothing has been resolved. Now Verizon is simply sticking to its guns and refuses to change their stance on the issue. In fact, they recently sent a response to the FCC claiming ”Verizon Wireless does not block applications.” What is really sneaky about this is that it is "technically" true. Verizon didn't block the application from being on their device. Instead they insisted that Google block the application. Ultimately, it obviously boils down to the same thing, and should be investigated by the FCC, but for some reason they are dragging their feet on this issue.

    Ironically, neither Google Wallet nor ISIS have really "taken off" as a heavily used alternative payment method. Perhaps NFC device payments, as a concept, is still a bit ahead of its time. Additionally, there are workarounds which can get Google Wallet side-loaded onto VZW phones. Still, for the few users whom this affects, it is an issue that needs to be addressed. Also, eventually, mobile payments will start to become the norm, and this issue will need to be resolved anyway. Share your thoughts.

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    I have been trying to get Google Wallet to work. Specifically, I side loaded the APK, launched it, and got an error stating it wasn't supported by the carrier. It is true that the app is IDing Verizons NID and blocking access. I will post a screenshot shortly. I've been meaning to get back into this project. Alternatively, VZW has an app called ISIS which is similar to Google Wallet. The application requires that the device be un-rooted, and that you also have a special SIM called an NFC-SIM. Currently the NFC SIMs are only available in the Houston, TX, and Salt Lake City, UT markets as part of a closed trial.
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    Interesting Mandy.. I'm near Houston.. I'll have to see if I can get in on that... Thanx for the info...
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    No problem, call customer service and ask for an "NFC Sim" for use with ISIS.

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    Wowzers at that Screenshot! Sorry.
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    It seems to me most people don't get NFC in general

    I think the part of the problem is many people think of mobile payment when they think NFC. Yes, that's one use of NFC but only one and there are other uses for NFC that work now no matter who your carrier is! With the NFC on my Maxx HD on Verizon I have transferred photos and videos to a GS3 using NFC (they need to turn off the proprietary S-send or whatever and make sure Google Beam is on). I've even transferred URL's and contacts using NFC to a Lumia 920 with WinPhone 8 on AT&T.
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    I mean, I figure it's a given that Verizon blocking Google Wallet is a problem. I'm just saying use NFC people! Don't forget it's there and does things other than payment *and* can work across carriers, OS's, and hardware OEM's!!!
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    I shrank your screenshot post. :)
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    Is it possible to get Google Wallet to function on a rooted phone running CM10? I've tried before but it errors saying something about me having a compromised phone.
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    Im working on it, Ill let you know.

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    Thanks :)

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    I agree entirely, it amuses me so many of my friends have iPhones and my friends with nfc capable phones we share things all the time, it's great.

    the biggest reason these haven't taken off is a complete lack of saturation, I've not seen one single commercial or ad on using your phone to make payments. IT needs to be shown to the public as a viable alternative. it's like the old pay pass thing I had on my keybank card years ago, only a few places had the ability and the ones that did, I just grabbed my wallet and waved it over the terminal... it was great. it just wasn't widespread enough.

    People also need to realize having this in your phone is safer than carrying your wallet, at least for me, if I lose my card I have to call my bank, tell them it's lost, get another card, get it sent, change ALL my information online I use with it, learn a new card number etc etc etc.

    if I lose my phone, I get on my computer, send a text, make sure it isn't lost or stolen by pinging the GPS, if it is, send it an SMS and wipe the entire phone. BAM credit card info gone, the person who stole it can't use it. no need to report my card as lost or stolen.
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    I wonder if it would be as easy as editing the build prop
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    CJM,

    That was my initial thought. I doubt it because the build.prop really doesn't have any relevance to being rooted or not. I have decompiled the APK, and I'm trying to see how they check for root. I will probably check for the carrier as well. My guess is they are using the NID to tell.

    The build.prop would likely help with the unsupported device error, but maybe not the root.

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    I have a custom ROM, I'm rooted and on VZW and I have wallet working on my galaxy nexus.

    I sideloaded the apk first, then when I moved to another ROM, the dev included wallet on the gaaps.
    Don't know if I can post links to other forums here to show which ones are using, but believe me, it can be used.
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    Hmm, I will have to try again, I can't remember if I had a prestine Google apk or not.

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    I've gotten it to work on ATT Galaxy S3 with AOKP. You have to edit the build.prop file and change the device ID to one of the few phones that Wallet does work with. I never used it but it did load and worked fine when I tried it. I'm not sure about stock rooted firmware.
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    google wallet works on rooted phones, just ignore the unsupported device banner at the top
    just MAKE SURE to erase the data of the the app with the option in the app before wiping your phone or you might really mess up your nfc secure element and will have a very hard time getting wallet to work again on your phone (if you could get it fixed at all)
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    VZW Not Fully Responsible...

    It's not just VZW that's responsible here for being difficult, Google's to blame as well.

    In fact, if your phone has international capabilities or was purchased outside the USA, then Google is actively and officially blocking Wallet from being installed on your phone.

    Eligible Devices for use with Google Wallet - Wallet Help

    For a company that's trying to get a product into the mainstream, you're certainly not going to do with with an "officially" supported device list of 15. What's even more difficult to understand is that Google has owned Motorola Mobility for almost two years. In that time they have not announced support for Wallet on a single Motorola device. I'm afraid what's really going to happen here is that Google really did buy Motorola for it's patents, will close Motorola Mobility's cell phone division and keep their alliance with Samsung & ASUS as the maker for all of their devices.
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