Samsung Legal Filing Reveals Different Picture than Apple Claims; Apple Stole Ideas

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    Updated: More details surfaced regarding Samsung's Legal defense against Apple, and were shared over at PhoneArena. We used the older F700 vs the iPhone pic in the story before, simply because we didn't have a better example. Now however, we have the original Sony design concept pic that was in the public domain 6 years ago. Apparently, this is a big part of what Samsung will use in court to fight Apple. We have edited this post to show the more updated info, and you can see the pic above. Source: PhoneArena

    For many months now we have been hearing from Apple constantly that Samsung stole their ideas and that their blatant copying must stop. Not surprisingly, Samsung has a different perspective on this issue, and they have recently shared it in a legal brief to the U.S. Court. Of course, when showing their side of things, it's easy to asume that they are biased, especially since they are going to show the point-of-view that is most supportive of their position. In this instance, what is so interesting (and "damning" for Apple) is that Samsung's perspective mostly just offers facts based upon documented evidence from the history of smartphones.

    It really displays in stark relief just how much Apple has abused the patent system, and that they have acquired patents which should be invalid. There are multiple cases of "prior art" that seem to establish these discrepancies. In fact, in part of their legal brief Samsung even points out that both Samsung and Apple borrowed Sony design concepts that were available in the public domain far prior to the release of the iPhone, such as phones that were “square with a screen” and had “corners [which] have been rounded out.” Apple's own internal documents even reflect this. Another famous example is shown in the picture below, in which Samsung debuted a smartphone design, the F700, a year before Apple announced the iPhone. Now, it is important to note, that it is possible that both of these devices could have been developed at relatively the same time; however, that would still show that Samsung didn't copy Apple, which still invalidates Apple's argument.

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    Here are several quotes from Samsung's legal defense brief that elaborate further:

    So, just who is copying whom? The trial begins next week, and we shall see...

    Source: WSJ - Samsung's Defense Brief and WSJ - Apple's Argument
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    What kills me....is ppl try to dismiss the F700.

    Not saying the iPhone is a copy....but just showing Samsung had prior art.

    How come their digital photo frame can't be used in defense against the iPad....
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    Is that a front faceing camera on the F700? Could just be a sensor of some sort but it looks like a camera.

    Edit: Yes it is a VGA camera on the front.
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    I was wondering when Samsung was going to pull the F700 card. I can picture Apple's lawyers trying the "But it's not a cellular device" approach. It's still prior art though, even if the devices have different functions and were intended for different uses. I hope...
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    The Samsung report states that they have internal documents dated 2006 regarding the issues over which Apple is suing.
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    You can't really believe that Samsung would perjure themselves in a lawsuit that that could cost them BILLIONS. They know every piece of item of evidence is going to be scrutinized and looked over with a fine tooth comb.
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    Yea...announced in Jan or Feb 2007. I'm pretty sure they were designing and building this in 2006.....

    http://www.samsung.com/us/news/newsRead.do?news_seq=3516

    Its like the LG Prada. I REALLY dont think LG and Samsung made phones in 1-2 months....or is Apple the only company allowed to spend time designing and developing phones....
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    actually apple had been developing the iphone since 1999... you know it only took samsung what... three weeks to develop the f700 and the prada... well... lg put it together overnight. amirite?

    seriously though, samsung won't perjure themselves in court, that would just be stupid. I have a feeling that this might finally start looking ugly for apple, they've already started forcing a look at the patent system.
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    Possibility #1-Samsung has falsified documents in an attempt to save themselves billions.
    Possibility #2-Samsung snookered Apple into suing them, holding their cards close to the vest until Apple was deep into their we designed everything first bs argument & couldn't back out. Thusly they drop the thermonuclear bomb on the aggressor juuuusst a milisecond before they were going to push the button.

    It's either pure desperation or pure genius.
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    It appears as though Samsung finally gave Apple enough rope to hang themselves with. I really hope this turns out badly for Apple, and they finally get a taste of their own medicine.
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    Wasn't it confirmed awhile ago that the f700 actually did not come out before the iphone? Why are we talking about this picture again, at least a year later since it was last put up here?
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    If you read the article that was posted and even some of the comments, Samsung allegedly has internal documents showing that they were developing the F700 in 2006 and can prove it. Now if they really do have those documents, which i doubt they would lie about having them, then it puts apple in a precarious situation. They aren't trying to say they came out with it before the iphone, all they have to do is show that they in no way copied apple in their design work. If the documents do in fact prove that point, then apple has zero leg to stand on.
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    I can only hope that this puts Apple in its place so that I'm not literally having to read every week about some new piece of idiocy they are carrying on with. Sorry Apple, whatever dedicated users and sheep you have loyal to your products you fell behind long ago and your current game isn't getting you anywhere. Step it up and move on. You're pathetic.

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    How do you think apple came up with their GUI. They stole it from microsoft. Then made the code work with the interface and their base OS code.

    Apple has been stealing ideas from the beginning. They're more imitative than innovative.
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    OP Updated.
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    if they lose, then it will cause Apple to slap lawsuits on the idiotic "display order and lists" patent they just got to sue anyone that uses some outline or list to order anyting on the phone scrren.
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    You know that you don't have to hate Apple just because you happen to love Android, right? I love Android, but I also am in love with my Macbook Pro <3. Just because you aren't nuts about their business practices doesn't mean you should blindly ignore the fact that they have very well-built products that work well and run quite smoothly :). I don't know that I will ever go back to a Windows computer. I'll take my computer freezing up ~2 times a year over ~50-100+ times a year any day, and I fail to see how that makes me a sheep.

    But, yes, as a business, they do perform a lot of despicable acts and love to overprice their products. But, at the same time, isn't the whole point of a business to make the most profit you can? Not condoning them on their lawsuits, though, it really does make them look bad and ticks me off to no end that they stoop so low.
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    I have a three year old Asus running windows 7. I have never experienced one freeze up. I really don't understand the mentality that "Apple products just work." As opposed to any other manufacturers not working? To each his own, but it is absolutely fair for anyone that disagrees with Apple's crappy business tactics to not support that company by not spending money with them, irregardless of the build quality.

    It seems to me that Apple is not a company that tries to compete on innovation, but rather monopolize the market by eliminating its competition.
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    What came first, the Chicken or the Egg? :p