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Apple Wants $2.5 Billion in Damages From Samsung, but Prefers a Ban Instead

Discussion in 'Android News' started by dgstorm, Jul 24, 2012.

  1. dgstorm
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    If there were any doubts about the vicious nature of Apple in these legal disputes against Samsung, they will probably be dispelled by this news. The Apple vs. Samsung legal fight has been raging across four continents, in 10 countries over 50 patent-based cases. In just the United States case, Apple has shared their "demands." Apparently, Apple believes it deserves $2.525 Billion dollars in damages from Samsung, but it would actually just prefer a sales ban on all of the alleged infringing products. Here's a breakdown of how Apple comes up with this number,
    • $2.02 for the “overscroll bounce” (or “rubber-banding”) ’318 patent
    • $3.10 for the “scrolling API” ’915 patent
    • $2.02 for the “tap to zoom and navigate” ’163 patent
    • $24 for use of any of Apple’s design patents or trade dress rights (this is that look and feel patent)
    Here's a quote from Apple's legal brief:

    Here's a quote from Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, on the matter,

    Things get even worse from here. Apple claims that if they are infringing any of Samsung's patents then they only owe Samsung a paltry $0.0049 (or almost half a cent) for each infringement case, which amounts to about $2 Million dollars (and is probably actually less than that). This is because these patents are FRAND or standards essential patents and are thus under different rules in which a maximum amount can be set. In fact, Samsung never even enforced their patents on Apple previously, and only tried to use them after Apple started their lawsuit claiming that Samsung copied the look and feel of their designs. Samsung tried to negotiate a 2.4% per device rate for their patent, which was admittedly very high for a FRAND patent, but it was only in response to Apple's patent challenges. Sadly, this will make Samsung look bad in the court system, and in fact, they are being investigated for this by the EU.

    No matter how you slice it things are looking grim for Samsung all over again. If you follow Apple's train of logic it's not hard to reach a particular conclusion: They don't want anyone else in the smartphone and tablet market, and they believe they have a right to be the only ones there. Of course, that is just one perspective... share yours.

    Source: AndroidAuthority
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    that actually makes me a little sick to look at.

    Apple simply doesn't like the fact that in the computer market they were beat by microsoft, and then they were doing awesome with smartphones and here comes samsung and woops their ass... pretty sad.
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    How can people invent their own stuff when apple is inventing everything first and then getting patents for it? What are they going to patent next? The use of plastic for the letters on a keyboard?
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    Apple isnt' inventing first. They either buy out a small company for a feature or two or patent something after someone else has patented it. Patents are expensive and everyone doesn't have the money to do it. Apple swoops in and patents something and bam, the real creator gets screwed over. I'm not going to list them all as its been done over and over but Apple is blatantly copying features from Android that has been in Android for ages. They have copied features that users created and implemented in the iOS jailbreaking scene. Apple has money is so many pockets its sickening. This whole "2.5 billion but we'd rather just ban them" is nothing more than using the broken patent/legal system to create a monopoly. They'll say that they don't have a problem with competition but since they are banned, its not really a monopoly since competitors exist but are just banned.
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    How did you know!!
    Is it wrong I want to create a team of world class hackers to destroy everything apple?
    Just onslaught of apple products/ their database. Lol I want to see it all whipped away.. excuse the rage >.>

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    Apple has done just as much "copying" as any other manufacturer. Many of Apple's patents that they've been granted were first used in the industry by another company. Apple just applied for the patent, while the other company didn't.

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    Yes. It definitely seems like there are far too many cases of "prior art" for Apple to make the ridiculous claim that they got there first. The only thing Apple did first was to sucker the USPTO (and apparently other global patent offices) into giving them patents on stuff they didn't invent. To have Tim Cook claim that other companies should invent their own stuff is what is sickening too me. The hypocrisy is so thick it's like mud.
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    You know what I want to know.

    How is it that Apple is spending all its time going after Samsung, when LG stuff looks just like TouchWiz? Isn't one of apples complaints that TouchWiz's design is too much like iOS? Well, LGs UI is IDENTICAL to TouchWiz.

    All this stuff Apple is going after Samsung for is on other Android handsets. Yet, only Samsung devices are being stripped of the features.
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    Simple - LG isn't a real threat at this stage. If you look at smartphone sales over the last few years, Samsung has been near or at the top of the pack and is the biggest direct competitor to Apple. Apple's goal is to destroy Samsung, then move on to the next company that plays in "their sandbox" - ie the next biggest Android manufacturer.

    I want Apple to use their newly granted UI patent that basically covers everything any touch based phone does. This will effectively block the entire smartphone market and people will have to take notice if the only product they can buy is Apple. Only then will something meaningful be done.
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    That's because LG's sales numbers are not a threat to Apple. Samsung's is.
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    apple needs to go away and die!!

    im glad Ford or GE didnt sue the other when they invented a car or we'd all be driving model T's or maybe still in horse and buggy's.

    "your product looks similar to mine, in that is has doors, glass, wheels and it moves. ILL SEE YOU IN COURT!!!!"

    this is getting nuts!!! i think the CEO's of each company should settle this like adults. Meaning they should train in MMA for a year and then have a 5 round UFC championship fight.

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    Apple again pulling at straws. This is getting totally absurd.
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    whole thing is a joke, but apple will keep going as long as the courts keep ruling in their favor. apparently the way a tablet looks is more important to the consumer than its actual functionality based on these court cases. I guess only apple can make rectangular devices....
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    Their annoying hardware doesn't help either. Try installing Linux and making it boot off of their junk efi implementation only. A sledgehammer would do a better job. It gets worse for servers...which I'm stuck with.

    Breakfast beats worrying.
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    Maybe Samsung should stop copying iOS...

    Come on guys, I love android as much as the next guy, but we all know darn well that there were plenty of jokes made about similarities between the two types of phones before any of this lawsuit stuff came up.
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    Yes aesthetically I agree in some cases. But Apple is suing for functionality that should be considered standard. Scroll bars? Lists on a touch device? Come on... Apple didn't even invent these things. They just hold the patent.

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    What part did they copy? Most of this stuff has been around since the 1980's. Icons & scroll lists were available on my Amiga in the late 1980's. Atari should sue because they line up icons in rows! Gasp! $24 for look & feel, give me a break.
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    and that's what I thought.

    Why don't the Judge's see it. Obviously, Apple isn't as violated as they pretend to be. If Samsung & Android wasn't selling as well as it is, then Apple wouldn't care.
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    I'm just curious how much money in lawyer bills Apple has to pay for...