Moto explains why they locked the bootloader

Discussion in 'Motorola Droid X' started by titans, Jul 14, 2010.

  1. steven.rn

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    They should have thought with their OWN wallets.... Per your suggestion, here is my post at the motorola forums:
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    I'm not a hotshot kid. I'm mid-50's, have years of corporate background. I hope you take a moment to read this and perhaps comment.

    Building the method to brick the phone into the HARDWARE via SOFTWARE is a recipe for disaster.

    It only takes ONE hacker ONE success with a widespread trojan to brick multiple thousands, or even tens of thousands of phones, in short order. Didn't you watch Apple stock dive over an antenna problem? You couldn't even begin to calculate the stock loss to Motorola/VZW if that scenario ever comes to pass.

    Haven't you thought of the headlines when folks DO start bricking phones and complaining? Let's say 200 casual users brick the phones by Efuse. Once the headlines start popping up in GOOGLE NEWS / SCI TECH like the antenna worries/calls for Iphone recalls/Consumer reports start popping up, and they WILL get nagging.... kiss Motorola Momentum goodbye.

    Or perhaps, one disgruntled engineer manages to slip something into a OTA update. I can't imagine the atmosphere in the Dev lab there. They have got to be nervously watching each other and never quite trusting each other not to deep six the company- and cost them their jobs as market share plunges.

    I used to work for Cadillac Division of GM Corp. in marketing. Ask me what a bad model can do for your market share.

    There were SO many ways around this. Efuse may prove your undoing. You're not dealing with kids with Xboxes.

    Yep. I'll still get a Droid X. Love the screen. But if any of this comes to pass, I know I'll be buying someone elses phone next year, and the subsequent 15 or 20 years after that.

    I hope it doesn't happen. Just like the Motorola 68000 chip deserved so much more than it got, I fear you may have shot yourself in the foot again. Ask the boys around Motorola who have been there for a long time how quickly momentum can be lost over perceived issues and values. Learn from your past. Protect your stock value, and the employees stock buy-in programs.

    Or not.

    Ultimately, those core issues to you will be of no consequence to the end user.

    Please reconsider how to "protect" us in a different way. Amen.
     
  2. FreyGrimrod

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    Wait this means I won't be able to delete certain apps or at least make them totally unseen by me? I'll always have some crapware facebook/twitter/blockbuster app in the way in my drawer? Could someone please confirm?

    If this is the case I'll pass...
     
  3. sin vicious

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    I understand the pain.. but at the end its all business

    Folks,

    I understand the whole "open platform" thing and to an extent android has provided that ability to developers in the nexus 1. But keep in mind that this is a business and custom roms can at times also mean ripping other software makers ideas and implementing them on other devices. While thats not the case all the time, the risk posed may be worth it to encrypt. If you make it less appealing for hardware makers to sell realestate space on their phones..(because it can be removed) we will see less phones which equals less innovation. I understand that opening it up my spur more sales, but it actually might not be enough to offset the moneys gained by selling relaestate space on the phone. This may also pay off for us by giving more incentive to create better home replacement$ and launcher$... Developers should be paid for the hardwork and not have to worry about asking for donations.
     
  4. RW-1

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    Got to agree here, too many lemmings who wouldn't know about loading customized ROM's or rooting to begin with to care.

    Now to be honest, I rooted to load 2.2, and would like the capability to load newer OS's as they are leaked. I agree though that having the ability to make custom ROM's with themes is excellent and should be encouraged, not quelled by moto.

    Seems to me that they should be taking a business decision and allowing it, as many devs out there turn out a better product than they do - they are not limited to the hoops the manuf has to jump through.

    I'm 46 and have seen a lot too...

    As to hundreds of lemmings bricking phones - BS. First off, anything that might come down the pike in that reguard will be found out very quickly, and mods/admins pull those download links fast, the hacking community polices itself VERY well in this reguard. There were a few 2.1 ROM's out there that were suspicious, and you should have seen the response ...

    more on lemmings bricking - first off, and I know there will be support for this from the rescue squad - 99% of the time the unit is NOT bricked. It takes a lot to truly brick a phone, many times it is something that can be undone. You say they will be nagging .. whom? They are doing something unsupported by the manufacturer right? They will be nagging US,not moto. Please show me a history of news coverage from people bricking their PC's from failed BIOS updates, and there have been PLENTY of them ...

    the truth is, out of 100% lemmings, likely about 10% might think about modding, out of that another 5% actually try and go further. the rest just stay stock.

    IF the red headed stepchild of the 2Ghz vaporware unit comes out and is locked down, but can be rooted, I likely will get it as I can still add apps I want. But I'll revisit that when the time comes.
     
  5. Darkseider

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    Thank you for understanding that it isn't about rooting or custom ROMs but the ability to if you, the consumer and owner of said device, choose to. With the encrypted boot loader and the Efuse this essentially turns an Android into an iPhone. It is disgusting that Motorola has chosen this path with such an open and robust operating system.
     
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    Point is once the phone is sold they get their money. If a developer puts an app on a phone, take my wifes Backflip for instance, there are apps that are on there that cannot be removed. Every one of those apps my wife doesn't use and *****es because she can't remove them. Why should I, the consumer, be dictated as to what I can and cannot do or have on my device? The same device I spent MY money on and now own in full. It is no different than a PC manufacturer telling you you can't switch operating systems or run programs made by Activision/Blizzard. It is yours to do with what you want regardless if you ever do. To deny the consumer this is no different than telling them that the device they just paid for is not owned but rather the monies spent a "right to use" rather than a "right to own".
     
  7. garath

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    They have a right to protect their IP. You aren't just buying the hardware. You are buying a phone - hardware and software. It's yours to do what you want. Just because they have locked down the software doesn't make it any less yours. You got exactly what you paid for. If you don't agree with it, you can buy a different phone. However, if you like their product, you can buy it as is.

    It is absolutely different than a PC. On a PC you are implicitly buying the hardware. The hardware and software are two different products regardless of their bundling. The DroidX is a consumer device. You aren't buying two different products, it's one. The software is part of it. Changing that is changing the device itself.
     
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    Agree 100%.. no one has been duped or tricked into buying this product. I think the more important point is the un-intended consequences opening things up may cause. The road to hell is pathed with good intentions!! I am willing to give up flashing as a whole if it facilitates better devices being released as rapidly as they are now.
     
  9. h_10

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    HTC doesn't seem to have a problem with this. and what IP is moto trying to protect? it's not like the have a great GUI like Sense that they are trying to keep competitors from stealing. motoblur is crap.

    i respect moto's decision to lock the bootloader. but i will exercise my right as a consumer and not buy their products. it may not mean much to motorola but at the end of the day, it doesn't mean much to me either as there are and will plenty of alternative android phones which aren't locked.
     
  10. sin vicious

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    Bravo your going about it the right way.. perhaps MOTO can find a way to offset any loss of revenue and provide the means to open things up.. allowing the market (us the people) to dictate the terms spurs compeition which we all stand to benefit from. Either way im getting the droidx.. dancedroid, screen ..gaming possibilties, raw power..
     
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  12. EgooEspada

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    Does Moto not realize that the Motorola Droid was one of the best selling devices and still is because it was stock and easily cracked. Motorola has done everything right with these devices, but now they do this to mess it all up. They could of easily trumped the iPhone alone with their strategy like that of with the original Droid and the only phones with the full Android experience (excluding the N1).
    But I will say though, if they make the Droid Pro UI stock Gingerbread and with those awesome specs going around here, I'll be fine with it..
     
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