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Deep thoughts with Pc747: My early thoughts on the nexus 5

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    The nexus 5 is out, people are excited and I want to talk about it deeply. So let's dig in.
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    I have been following the nexus 5 and 4.4 kit kat since the device was rumored and though there are a lot of things I love about the device there are a few things that keep me from buying. I love the google nexus clean look and feel along with getting updates straight from google (unless you have the Verizon Galaxy Nexus but let's try and forget that ok). I do have a few concerns though:

    1) When the Nexus One was released it was forward thinking with a new os and a 1 gig processor, the idea was to show what manufacturers can do. Personally I love the look of the Nexus 5 and with its beautiful display, better camera (compared to nexus 4), and larger screen it is amazing. With that said it is not what I would consider forward thinking. Last year Samsung released the Note 2 with a quad core processor and 2 gigs of ram (first of its kind) and yet specs wise the note 2 is still competitive today. I feel like Samsung continues to push the envelope with specs and ideas. Now I do like that Google is doing a better job with their software to make it more efficient so it uses less memory. But to my point what in the Nexus 5 is forward looking compared to the devices out now (It was 3 months ago I ragged on Motorola for this with the Motorola X but at least they came out with moto maker)?

    2) Looking at the google edition devices vs nexus devices: I actually like the google edition devices more than the nexus and this is why. With the google edition device you are getting the manufacturers best device (at the time they made it) with stock google software so the Galaxy S4 and HTC One were basically the manufacturers putting their best foot forward giving us flagship devices that they felt would give them a leg up in the market. The Nexus device manufacturers build the devices to google's specs so google can sell cheaper. No one is in the business of losing money so they have to cut somewhere. Still nexus devices are a viable option for those looking to buy a device off contract at a cheaper price than what the manufacturers put out. So do you still see the Google nexus as a forward thinking device or a device that is a bargain for the buck?

    3) Google Play: What Google has done with their app market is smart they literally turned it into a market place selling everything from apps, books, music, movies, and devices. I love renting movies and watching them via chromecast and would definitely recommend it to any one. But with a 15 day return policy can you truly see spending 300+ to buy a device? I personally did order a nexus 5 but canceled as that was one of the things that worried me. I have bought a few nexus devices in the past and must admit though they have been awesome I did notice some issues wether it be from a bad batch or quality control. Thankfully I bought it from a store where i could just exchange it. The pricing for the nexus 5 32gb model came to 447.16 (the cost taken from my debit card) and a thought went through my head "$500 is a lot of money" (add 200 bucks and I can get a note 3). Point being is for that type of money I do not want to hear or deal with any quality issues but from experience I know that is a possibility. So after seeing an article that best buy would sell it I feel more comfortable buying it from a retailer like best buy and adding some protection to it. Does the 15 day return policy bother you knowing that after 15 days you are going to have to deal with the manufacturer?

    4) I hate non removable batteries and non expandable memory <----nuff said.

    Like to hear your thoughts.
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    +1 on battery and storage for sure!

    They claim SD cards were too confusing for users, but I don't buy it. I want to store as much junk in my pocket as I can. If anyone, I feel they should at least offer the ability to get one with SD slot.

    Sent from my GS4
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    I'm sure it's going to be a solid device ..price range is attractive.
    15 days I believe is more than enough time ...you will know in a week about a phone ...SD card is a must for me ..I don't want to hear about cloud storage or all the regular work arounds ..and I surely want to swap a battery ...if I forget to charge ..pop another in and go ...easy
    As all us Verizon peeps know I won't need to worry about getting one ...I will be surprised for that day again despite some 2014 rumors..


    N3 tapa
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    After having a Galaxy Nexus for two years, a Nexus 10 since release, and running AOSP roms on all kinds of phones along the way... I've kind of lost interest. I'm enjoying customized stock UI's now. S3, S4, G2, and my wife's Note 2, are fine with just some tweaks. I'll be getting an S5 next and a Note 3 for my wife. I don't feel any desire for a Nexus anymore. Maybe I'll get back in the mood for it next year.
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    I kinda miss parts of stock, like the camera. I don't need the fancy stuff & I miss the speed with which the gNex took pictures, but I'm still living the s4 for now since cost keeps me from shopping. Haha

    Sent from my GS4
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    No arguments here pc747.My Note 3 is always happy when the competition gets shut down.

    Sent from my Note 3 rockin Jelly Bean 4.3
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    2 be fair, not much Competition compared to the note 3!

    Note 3 <Caesars>
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    1. I have to agree that hardware and spec-wise the Nexus line isn't what it used to be. I really do think Google has made more of an effort in concentrating on the user experience. One key element of that is the backing on the Nexus 5, that somewhat grippy plastic, but not cheap feeling either (I'm basing that off the 2013 Nexus 7). It's easy and comfortable to hold and you aren't afraid that it'll slip out of your hands. The display has caught up to full HD so can't ask for much more there. With a Snapdragon 800 in the Nexus 5, it'll be a powerhouse of a phone for awhile I would think, especially with the optimizations of KitKat.

    So forward thinking in the hardware department....not so much anymore. However, their concentration on user experience and look of the device have certainly improved. A good trade-off imo.

    2. You can't argue that the GPE of both the One and S4 are top tier devices. You don't get that aluminum casing or expandable memory/removable battery of the s4, but I think you do still get quite a bit with the Nexus 5. If you want to pick at specifics, the Nexus 5 has the Snapdragon 800, that's something neither of the GPE phones have. I have to admit, it is the best looking phone out of the three, despite my disdain for LG.

    3. Personally, the 15-day window doesn't bother me. I had that same return window with Verizon and had no regrets of picking up my s4. I don't know about anyone else here, but when I consider a device, I'm thinking the whole contract or at least until my next available upgrade. I've never bought a phone off contract that was brand new, so shelling out that kinda money, I would make sure I'd want the phone before hitting the "checkout" button. Maybe wait til the second batch of units to get out just to make sure everything is a bit more smooth.

    4. Can't argue here. 2 of the main selling points as to why I chose the s4.

    All that being said, I think the Nexus 5 is a huge step up for the Nexus phone line. Especially with all the flack that the Nexus 4 took spec-wise, I don't think anyone has anything to complain about with the Nexus 5. You're getting a big beautiful display with probably the top processor in the game. This phone is a powerhouse and will remain one for awhile.
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    I am a happy S4 user with Verizon but must admit although I love the service I am getting sick of the way Verizon operates! Waiting for software updates, changing phones around (LG G2) and not carrying the Nexus line. The biggest most expensive carrier should be leading the pack not hindering it's users! I have always preferred the Sd card and removable battery but in all reality I bet most people, like myself. don't even have a spare battery or need the Sd card. I grabbed a 32gb black Nexus 5 and am gonna try T-Mobile pre paid to save some cash. Im not really into rooting although I have done it so I am sure it will be a long time before my S4 would see Kit Kat from Big Red!!
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    I am considering the Nexus 5 mostly on price and curiosity. I bought one from the play store with 3-4 weeks estimate, now it shows 2-3 weeks. I will keep an eye on Best Buy or Amazon to see if I can get one earlier (get charged tax at the Plays Store and Amazon).

    I am on Verizon right now (unlimited data family plan), but am going to try the $30 T-mobile plan. I have an HTC Rezound which has seen better days (not eligible to upgrade until late June, or else I would consider the 6 GB plan being offered). I commute by 2 hours by train (each way) with no wifi. My charging port broke, and I have to swap batteries around 4 times a day. I also have two Anker external batteries, which I can use to charge the external charger. Although it is a bit much to carry around. According to Open Signal, my work is in an area of NYC which has no reception (the sliver around Turtle Bay).

    I have been keeping an eye on Swappa, mostly for the Razr M, although not having a removable battery, I am not sure how the battery life is for the age of the device. Otherwise new, the Razr Mini and Maxx have caught my attention with the recent price drop.

    I went into the Verizon store to see what is currently available. For personal size preferance/in hand feel I would order the devices: Moto X, LG G2, HTC One, Droid Mini/Droid Maxx, Note 2, S4...

    I went for the 16 GB since it would end up being around $395 for the phone. If I went for the 32 GB, it would be close to $500...that would make it a tougher choice in terms of compromises (supposed battery/camera), compared to the Maxx (battery) and Moto X (i like the idea of Active Display, although I would probably go 16 GB for this one also.)

    I already have a Spigen Ultra Hybrid case and the T-mobile SIM. I figure if coverage is not what I hope, then I can sell the device for a small loss on Swappa, and then buy one of the above phones for Verizon.

    I am currently testing Sprint 3G/4G Mifi with FreedomPop (although it does not pick up LTE), and the coverage leaves much to be desired. My Rezound drops signals in a couple spots, but the Mifi is useless in many more. It serves as a good backup though (for a few dollars a month).
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    I might have been excited about the N5 if

    A: It was coming to VZW

    B: They kept the same form factor as the G2. Rear button placement, screen size and battery size.

    Though I would prolly miss some of the features that make the G2 unique.
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    I was getting ready too say,I know the N5 is not competing with the Note 3 in price.

    Sent from my Note 3 rockin Jelly Bean 4.3
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    I don't argue the greatness of the Note 3 but it is a completely different class of phone. Phablet vs phone. I personally do not care for the size of the Note and it is not an option for me. If you compare the Nexus to the S4 then it is a fair comparison and same class of phone. Just my opinion.
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    Question. be long before we have 4.4 for the G2 (straight from the mouths of the developers in charge of the G2). I share the same sentiments about gettingtthe latest flagship phone and then flashing my own Android experience (or purchasing a GPS if available). No SD card? I've never used up my 32GBs of storage on my GNex or G2. Why? I keep all my apps and music I listen to all the time on the phone. The rest.. The really really large stuff like movies? Well, we have OTG USB Flash drives for that. People seem to use that as an argument to justify their choice or purchase. We have a tendency to want OUR stuff to be the BEST and will argue night and day even if we are wrong. I do t care if updates come from LG for the G2 as quickly. It's already been said that they (CyanogenMod) are already working on 11 and that once 10.1 (or whatever versus is the latest.. I'm on the latest Monthly Snapshot.. I never cared for CyanogenMod in the past but this has made a perfect phone even better still
    The N5 is a solid phone what shows off Kit Kat. That's it. Nothing more nothing less. Sorry. The BEST CPU out now by the way isn't the SD800, it's the for in the 5s...and I have admitting that because I disdain Apple. The G2 is one of the few devices thst actually can compete with the A7 and it's clocked almost twice as fast. Sorry, my early Sunday rant. And I forgot another HUGE pro for the N5. You get a slightly tuned down version of the G2 for a price thst cannot be beaten.

    Question for anyone who's compared the display on each device (N5 and G2). Does the N5 share the outstanding display the G2 has? I'd imagine so and if so it's an awesome phone for the price. Concerning lack of sdcards on devices again, the people who need more than 32GBs can look outside the box and try a OTG USB. They work quite well. It's not as pretty as having your storhpneage device hidden inside the phone but for files such as movies or large files you are working on and don't need on your device 24/7 they can't be beat. I'm a developer and work with LOTS of files. My G2 IS my main home PC except when I need to build something using my Linux box. I also have more cloud storage space then I'll ever use in my lifetime (spread across companies) but that's not an option for everyoneso iI understand. Data caps (thankfully I don't have one and havean aawesome promo plan I've had for years.. Thanks to DF who gave us the info on it (The staff here rocks). Enough of renting and my disassociated thoughts and ramblings ffor the morning. Back to gaming. (^o^)
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    One of the main things everyone has been complaining about with the Nexus 5 (and the Moto X for that matter) is the lack of 'top of the line' hardware specs. Not the best processor. Not the most RAM. Not the biggest battery. Quite frankly, I believe that Motorola (with the X) and [hopefully] Google (with the Nex5) have shown that you do not NEED a 12 core processor and 6 gigs of RAM to run Android effectively. I think the complaining about hardware is a moot point (with the exception of a camera, because software can only do so much to help). Maybe everyone is looking at the Nex5 in the wrong way as a 'forward thinking' device. Maybe we should be looking at the software optimizations as the 'forward thinking' aspect of the phone. This, I understand, is really a promotion of the new OS rather than the phone. However, Google is giving us a reasonably priced top of the line (yes, I really think it is) device with which to experience the new OS.

    While, generally speaking, I agree with the negative sentiment toward non-removable batteries, I feel like a non-removable battery is acceptable if the phone's battery is capable of lasting through a full day of use. As far as non-expandable storage, I'm okay with 32gb. Anything less is worthless. Anything more would be a bonus. I'd probably use it if I had it, but I am happy with 32gb.


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    Thinking about it, 'top of the line' should be replaced with 'best' because the phone really is on par with other flagship phones. It just does not have the 'best' hardware that everyone seems to expect in a Nexus device.
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    I think the argument with the Moto X is the price point. I tried it out for a few weeks and it was a nice device. Just not $600 off contract worth of nice. If it was faster and had a bigger and better display it might have been worth it. But comping it to the G2, which is $50 cheaper off contract, it is night and day. And I haven't really seen the argument of the N5 not having top of the line specs. It has the same guts as the G2 which is described as "a beast" and the best phone currently on the market. I don't really know what people are wanting these days. The G2 is just flat out fast and smooth no matter what you are doing with it.

    Speaking for myself removable batteries and storage don't really matter. Phones like the G2 and the Droid Maxx easily get you through a full day without being tethered to a charger. And I do not store music or movies on any of my phones. I know there are many that do though so I can see their argument.
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    I would have the Nexus 5 instead of my Note 3 if the Nexus 5 were available on Verizon. I only bought the N3 because Verizon is my only option for reliable coverage in my area. I have yet to put a micro SD in my N3 or remove the battery. Everyone is claiming that the Nexus 5 doesn't have top of the line specs, but it has the same processor as my N3. The N3 does have more ram, but I think it needs more to handle all of the extra stuff touchwiz adds, especially multiwindow. I didn't want to sign a new contract with Verizon or give up unlimited, but i did both. At least i got the 6GB max plan. It will realistically be 2 years before any carrier besides AT&T gets decent coverage in my area. I won't leave Verizon for another carrier that doesn't offer unlimited data. I would have considered trying T-Mobile if the Nexus line of devices was capable of using T-Mo's WiFi calling. I know that you can use google voice and port this and do that and make and receive calls via WiFi, but I would want to call and text just like normal with the native dialer and sms app using my carrier assigned phone number. I love my N3 but thought I would get more use out of the Touchwiz features. If it were available I would flash a Paranoid Android rom right now and never miss Touchwiz. With all that said I do not regret buying my N3, it is a superb device with and amazing screen and battery life. It does what I ask it to do and does it well. I will miss the unlocked bootloader of my galaxy nexus.
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