Are you running the .215 Leak on your Razr or Maxx?

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    With the impending release of Jelly Bean any day now, the burning question for some time has been "will Jelly Bean install over .215?"

    If you are running the .215 Leak and you get an update to July Bean on your phone, please be so kind as to inform me and the other forum members of the results, and whether or not it will install over .215 or if you need to revert back to .211 to install the new Jelly Bean.

    Inquiring minds wanna know!!

    And thanks to everyone who made the .215 leak and the classroom thread a success! :D
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    Yeah now that I read that JB is slated to come out sometime in January 2013 for the XT912 Razr, I'm just going to wait. I was on the brink of installing the 215 leak (I've only had ICS for about 2 months and I don't like it over GB), but with the holidays and travel approaching I'd rather not mess with it and just go to JB to try that instead.
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    Thanks for starting this thread Matt. Should eliminate others from asking the question (I was also one who was asking). I am hoping that JB will install over the .215 leak but we will see what happens. I am curious if you will even receive the notification for an OTA update while on the .215 leak.
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    Will do. You think we might get it for Christmas?
    And Thank you!

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    This is NOT to be taken as a guarantee of any kind, I'm not a betting man ... however ...My guess would be the Jelly Bean OTA will install over .215 without any issues. The .215 leak is official software, it's not a leak that someone came up with while poogling. Someone released the leak and someone put the leak out there for all of us to install. I say this because you don't need root to install .215, it will break root just like any other OTA that comes along.I simply don't have time to go through the whole process of installing Jelly Bean and re-rooting my phone and setting everything up again, work has been kicking my butt lately, so I am going to wait and see what happens when Jelly Bean finally does come down, then find a day or two to be able to do it. My updater is frozen anyway so I won't even get the OTA notification until I am ready to do it. And besides, I already have Jelly Bean on my tablet, and it's rooted, of course. As I said, this is NOT A GUARANTEE ... just my hunch. I may be wrong, I have been before. We will all see when the OTA finally gets pushed. :)
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    Is JB an upgrade or update? My thinking is ICS was a whole new system ie upgrade therefore the whole thing was replaced. If it's an update then it would rely on some files from the previous version being what they expect in order to interface properly.
    I wonder if any soak testers have said what the HD OTA is?
    File size would be a dead give away.
    If it's just 50mb or so I'd say we would have issues. Then there's the radio and kernel. Aren't both of them different on. 215?

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    I read somewhere that Jelly Bean is 280 something mb so its a major upgrade ... .215 is only 42 mob

    The radio and the kernel will be the big key to any possible problems.
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    Wow, it would have to replace everything then. Fingers crossed.

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    ICS was a major upgrade from GB, replacing kernals, radio software, activating hardware previously not activated, etc. The .215 was a minor update or patch to the ICS upgrade (which explains is why it is smaller). The .215 has to be installed over stock ICS .211... because it is only an update/patch and not a full upgrade, it can not be installed over GB.

    I think JB is more of an update than an upgrade. The differences between ICS and JB are not that much, kernals, activated hardware, radios are the same. I am not certain but they are so similar that it seems like it would even be possible to go back to ICS after being on JB...which is impossible to do from ICS back to GB.
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    Meaning there's a good chance it will not install over. 215?
    I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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    Precisely ... nobody knows so we will all have to wait and see. :)
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    There are far worse things. :)

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    Precisely again ... my phone is set up just the way I want it, I am in no real hurry for Jelly Bean. After it gets pushed and I see how it goes with everyone else, then I will install it. I got all kinds of pissed off last night when Beautiful Widgets updated from the Play Store and it broke my clock on both my phone and my tablet and I had to go searching for a new one. I'm one of those who don't like forced change. LOL :)
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    Off topic, but Appmonster from play store will let you go back to previous versions of installed apps. So if you don't like an update just go back.

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    Titanium Backup does the same thing, and at first I went back to the previous version. But when I did, I got a notification saying the was an update available for it. So I just went and got a new clock widget LOL :)
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    Ok guys...nothing like a good debate. Like MattyP (whom I hold in high regard)...no guarantee. Unlike MattP, I don't think JB will install over ICS. I base this on one thing: An OTA does three things when it is received (1) it checks the MEID of the phone to see if the phone is to be updated, (2) it checks to see if the phone is rooted and (3) the most important in this debate, it checks the system version on the phone. An update is designed for a specific system version to be "updated from". If during this check the system version present on the phone differs from the system version the OTA is designed to update then the update will not be successful. The OTA to JB will be looking for system version .211, if it finds any other system version the update will fail. We ought to start a "poll" here.
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    Assuming an update is what JB is. If it's a complete replacement the version you're coming from is irrelevant at least from a practical point.

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    i somewhat agree .. with history of moto. they normally make you be on the OTA to get an ota upgrade. it will usually check the firmware version to make sure it matches prior to upgrading .
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    Past practical experience shows that the system version number makes a difference. Reference the OTA from Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich would not install if the official system version of GB was not on the phone and un rooted. I remember for days users were asking how to get back to the official system version of Gingerbread so that they could take the OTA to Ice Cream Sandwich. That occurred in the OTA from froyo to Gingerbread and Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich. Whether an update or upgrade (full replacement), the OTA looks for a system version number and if that doesn't match what the OTA is coded to update...it will not update, replace or what ever. It may not be practical, but "it is what it is". But, we'll see, I could be wrong and it won't be the first time, and probably not the last :biggrin:
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    Checking for system version is also necessary because otherwise they could be installing their update/upgrade over any version Rom or leak and the results could be disastrous. I think the reason why many thought an OTA would work for the .215 leak is because it was expected that everyone would be receiving .215 OTA. But that never happened. It is so easy to go back to stock .211, that it should be no problem for anyone with the leak.
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