The camera sucks

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  1. windstrings

    windstrings Active Member

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    Better take that one again... if you look at the large pic.. its quite blurry. Especailly at the top portions of the picture.

    This pic is a perfect example....

    If the 5mp picture "which looks blurry" looks better at the lower size....
    How much better would a non blurry 5mp pic look at the lower size!
     
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    Please don't be so rude. I do not understand the mechanics of cameras well, but I do know that MP is for the amount of pixels in the outputted image. I also never said that MP = quality. All this time I have been referring to detail when speaking about the MP. Quality and detail is not the same thing.

    You can have a good clear small image (quality) but not have much detail (fine noticable elements you would otherwise not be able to see).

    I'll be back in a bit guys. I have to go do something. I'll try to take another picture for further comparison when I get back home. I do notice a lot worse grain in the office picture you posted. That is probably more similar to my light conditions in my example. I feel that your office light should be enough to get a bit better clarity than that, in my opinion. This is one of the things I'm complaining about.

    And please try not to get heated up in this argument. I'm feeling some tension, just relax peeps. I'm just discussing the camera :p

    @windstring,

    I'm not comparing two downsized images. I'm trying to avoid having to downsize completely. I don't want to downsize to get a clear picture, that is my argument. I don't want to resort to having a smaller picture just to make it look clear. That is my argument. I don't think we are on the same page here. It should not be necessary to downsize my picture for it to be clear. If the camera worked well, the original picture would already be clear.
     
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    I understand what your saying.. just don't think I agree.

    I remember in the beginning a pic was taken at 3mp with statements that it looked better than the 5mp shot.. but someone else commented about there not being as much light or something in the 5mp shot and the issue never really got resolved.

    I can agree with you "if" the software your using to downsize is trashy... a virgin 3mp picture could look better than a 5mp on taken down to the same size if the software used to so do was inferior and trashed the picture.

    But in theory, I don't think that really happens.
    I would rather use the cameras full ability to suck in every detail of information it can and then take that pic and compress it down into a smaller package creating even more detail.

    Very similar to a HD picture on your TV... a 1080i or P signal will always look better on a smaller screen because everything is compressed into smaller square inches yet the same amount of information exist "1080 lines of resolution to make up the picture"

    That why in the video store they are usually hitting all the tv's with 720i signal because all of the screens cannot handle 1080i.... so they are "all" getting the same 720 signal... a little known fact is that the larger screens will look "better" in your house than in the store because they are only getting 720i in the store and at your home you can hit them with full 1080i or p.
    Another reason they try to showcase their expensive screens with a blueray player feeding it to isolate it from the rest of the bunch.

    One thing for sure... .like sighting in a deer rifle... its very difficult to tell if the sights are off if the shooter moves and is not stable.

    Same with a camera.. you must not flinch or move when taking a picture if your doing to bring out the loupe and start looking at quality of pics.
     
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    i'm not worried about it. it was a low light shot with too many elements going on for teh phone to behave properly. i've taken my fair share of decent quality pics with the phone's camera. i know it's possible to do so. it's about as finicky as my p&s so i pretty much know how to deal with suck.
     
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    I agree with some of what your saint here. I agree that working with a higher resolution source will yeild better end results after editing. I don't agree that downsized pictures include all the information from the higher sized image. The difference in file size proves that. The smaller Res image is not compressed in the sense that all original information is included with reduced file size. There is some data loss after downsizing. When I think of the term cropping it has always been used to describe cutting the sides of the image off. The remaining portion is not edited at all. The Droid has a cropping feature when setting contact display pics. Its that box you use to cut the extra portion around the sides off. The remaining parts remain unedited.
     
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    True.. to make a pic of lower resoulution, not as much info is needed. But a given size pic taken at 3 meg will be so big given certain lighting conditions etc.... the same pic taken in the exact same environment, file compression and settings will be of better quality if the source was bigger and usually a tad bigger in size.

    Talking about file size is tricky since there are different compression algorythms.... but I think we all have the same idea.
    The higher the mp, the higher the definition "hence High def" regardless of physical size.

    The term "mp" or megapixel denotes how much information is crammed into a given area of space.
    Some of this is so simple, its hard.
     
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    Both of these pics were taken at 5mb setting, infinite focus, no flash at an angle through glass off the 6th floor of a building. I used the onscreen button to trigger the shot.
    Considering the imperfections of glass.. shooting this through glass at an angle looks pretty good.

    If you look closely at the horizon right of middle you can see the skyscrapers of Fort Worth Texas
    Both are resized by photobucket to 1023 X 764px
    I guess I'm gonna have to get an imageshack account to show bigger pictures.

    Here is the first without further processing....
    [​IMG]

    Here is the second with a tad of contrast and color saturation bumped up in picsay pro....
    [​IMG]
     
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    agree and after all, it's a moto droid.I know they'll listen and do something about it,they cannot afford not to. This is not a iphone apple product. The iphone users are the most passive(me included) who thinks that it's the perfect phone on the planet.Have you ever heard of any iphone users complaining about their iphones? They're so afraid that if they do, Steve J. is going to sue them or take away their iphones. Have you also, ever try to argue with an iphone user, I just did,it's a waste of time.I am member of 2 iphone forum communities. All we talked is about how to protect the phones and 8gb,16gb but my is better than yours because my is white with 32gb,lol'
    I found out about this commmunity since Dec,09' people are very helpful and very passionate with their Droids. Already people are complaining about the legit bugs with honesty.The biggest is the camera.
    I think you were wrong about people not admitting that the camera is flaw.I hope motorola get it fix fast because I am selling both my iphone3g to get the Milestone when it launch in canada in early 2010 officially.
     
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    I know it can be different for each photo but what are the best general settings for the droid camera?
     
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    All my pic generally come out like this.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Looks like you moved
     
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    I'll post some others, I was trying to be as still as possible...
     
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