signal issue

[wvdroidman]

I don't want another thunderbolt. Verizon and HTC made it absolutely clear that it won't be updated anymore. If I can find a raz hd for under $200 I'd go that route but I doubt I can get the on ebay or craigslist.
I'm not going to get rid of the m and get a thunderbolt or an older phone that won't be upgraded.
If there was only a way to get the m to hold onto a signal more.

 

[Spey]

Funny how people tend to get fixated (suck) blaming and waiting on manufacturers to fix something to their preference ...

wvdroidman,
Here's three more possibly solutions, based on your comments. Asking $200-250 for Razr HD (would expect could negotiate to $150-200 ...). Move on and stop waiting/complaining (suggest going after the Razr Maxx HD because it has the 3300Mha battery WOT and it has the lowest asking price of the three).

I digress, will PM you the listings rather than post publicly here.
Already in your PM Box.

All of the above ads were active as of 3:55pm PST - move quickly my friend.

Regards,

 

[ThatDroidGuyInJax]

I don't want another thunderbolt. Verizon and HTC made it absolutely clear that it won't be updated anymore. If I can find a raz hd for under $200 I'd go that route but I doubt I can get the on ebay or craigslist.
I'm not going to get rid of the m and get a thunderbolt or an older phone that won't be upgraded.
If there was only a way to get the m to hold onto a signal more.

This thread is pushing me away from the M. I'm considering upgrading from the Thunderbolt as well and it's been a tough decision.

I have to say that I absolutely despised the Thunderbolt. If I needed 911 I'd be dead before it would actually dial. Sometimes I'd end up calling someone multiple times because it wouldn't respond and I'd hit the name again only to have it dial twice. It was horribly sluggish. Then I rooted it. Life is good. It behaves like I want.

I'm running Skyraider 1.3 and love it. I tried the ICS leak and couldn't take the data drops so I flashed back to Skraider and GB. Might be something to consider if the M isn't working for you.

 

[wvdroidman]

If you're in strong 4g area get it. If not go for another phone. There are times when my phone will go to 1x when indoors where my thunderbolt would stay 3g at least.

 

[Spey]

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Are you for real ...? Not even a thank you - just speed-bumps and reasons to keep complaining …

Ya, I emailed the guy on your behalf (Razr Maxx HD); negotiated purchase price for you from asking $200 to $125 shipping & insurance inclusive, and the guy agreed to send his desktop dock and vehicle dock plus a 64GB USH-I SD-Card because he won't be needing this stuff anymore. I also sent payment via my PayPal account for you and you just need to email the guy your shipping address. Oh wait, maybe something will come up for sale that will take less effort for you …

Hey man, the early bird gets the worm, at this point I’m passing along my time to find a few great deals to others on this forum with a little more initiative...

(Razr Maxx HD N.I.B asking $200, and Two Razr HD’s for asking $250/ea are all fairly good deals in my mind).

 

[ThatDroidGuyInJax]

Sitting in the house my 3g4g strength is -96 to -100 dBm. Pretty weak. I need to check it away from the house since I'm always on wifi here and have good signal strength on the road. I'll try to check tomorrow.

 

[Spey]

Sitting in the house my 3g4g strength is -96 to -100 dBm. Pretty weak. I need to check it away from the house since I'm always on wifi here and have good signal strength on the road. I'll try to check tomorrow.

From my experience 4G at -96dbm to -100dmb is actually pretty good. I can download at over 2.5Mbps with -107dbm to -110dbm reported signal strength on my device.

Examples related to my 4G signal strength taken from area of moderate to poor signal strength:
4G -107 to -115dbm = 2-bars
4G -116 to -128dbm = 1-bar
Actually got device down to -133dbm with 1-bar before switched from 4G to 3G

 

[ThatDroidGuyInJax]

Hmm. Ok, so I just did a test. 5661 down and a meager 415 up with a local server. Switched to Atlanta and got 376 down and 1617 up. New Orleans gave me 8315/790. At least the first and last weren't bad.

The coverage map looks pretty solid for 4g. I'm going to head to the store in the morning and see what the phones are like side-by-side.

 

[Spey]

Hmm. Ok, so I just did a test. 5661 down and a meager 415 up with a local server. Switched to Atlanta and got 376 down and 1617 up. New Orleans gave me 8315/790. At least the first and last weren't bad.

The coverage map looks pretty solid for 4g. I'm going to head to the store in the morning and see what the phones are like side-by-side.

I was in major metro area last week with excellent 4G coverage and I got over 20-Mbps down. I was like OMG, my son looks at his iPhone 4s and says ya sure Android SpeedTest.net is lying to ya ... I just reviewed results 11/11/2012 9:13pm 20,203/down & 3,761/up speeds. I've gotten multiple 15-Mbps down speeds recorded in various rural areas. I think 4G has been changing the measure in mobile data (standard measure now Mbps vs. Kbps).

I think the specifc radio equipment (brand and configuration) on the tower your connected to has a lot to do with quality & speed of connection. Example: device could register a great signal strength (dbm) but not get the really high up/down speeds and opposite - registered signal could be low (dbm) and get high up/down speeds. Also, there's a lot to be said for the dynamic switiching that is going on within the device and the towers related to 4G LTE.

For reference - two of the cel-tower equipment manufacturers are Alcatel Lucent & Ericsson. Equal signal stregth on one manufactures equipment will provide drastically different up/down speed (even though both towers are providing "Verizon" connectivity). So, it's not just about how good a "signal" your device reports having, and with future tower equipment improvements and related software enhancements 4G looks to have a bright future.

I especially like the way the devices are becoming "smarter" with software enhancements (like throttling the CPU down when the screen does sense activity as a means of battery conservation while not losing signal connections).

 

[Spey]

Hmm. Ok, so I just did a test. 5661 down and a meager 415 up with a local server. Switched to Atlanta and got 376 down and 1617 up. New Orleans gave me 8315/790. At least the first and last weren't bad.

The coverage map looks pretty solid for 4g. I'm going to head to the store in the morning and see what the phones are like side-by-side.

I have read in various forums that Metro Atlanta has oversold their coverage, expectations are the infrastructural additions may take some time to catch up (read: probably will not improve next month or for some time). Your results seem to concur with what should be expected at this point in time.

 

[TisMyDroid]

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(Razr Maxx HD N.I.B asking $200, and Two Razr HD&rsquo;s for asking $250/ea are all fairly good deals in my mind).

Sound too good to be true. Sounds very stretchy and would proceed with extreme caution. Can't imagine anyone selling HD's that cheap unless it is not a clear esn. You could check that it has a clean esn but it is easy enough for someone to provide a clean esn if it can't be checked in person before making the transaction.

 

[Spey]

Sound too good to be true. Sounds very stretchy and would proceed with extreme caution. Can't imagine anyone selling HD's that cheap unless it is not a clear esn. You could check that it has a clean esn but it is easy enough for someone to provide a clean esn if it can't be checked in person before making the transaction.

Of course check out the deal before committing!!
Last 2 Rarz M's I bought I got for $200 or less (well under on one), so to find three Razr HD's for between $200 - $250 is not surprising at all to me. Razr & Razr Maxx devices around release of the HD model could be had locally for around $150 for those not needing the latest/greatest crave.

Of course check the ESN, simple & free (takes like 45-seconds online with various sources to check 2 - 3 resources confirming phone not under contract and/or reported as stolen). If a seller won't provide you the ESN, and you can not meet in person - ya, that's a RED FLAG. If you meet in person, be prepared to know how to check the device ESN even if the device is not active and attempts to lock you out of access it. Choose your payment method carefully to protect yourself against scams and you should have no issue that can not be rectified. But by all means, if it's a good deal be prepared to commit (have all your protections already figured out before negotiating).

There's all kinds of great deals out there for those with interest and pre-thought-out-purchase-plan. I've purchased 5-personal phones for family (including 2 Razr M's & a iPhone4s) without any problems or even consideration of getting my money back.

Caveat Emptor is always your guide ... Yes!

Oh H_ll, forget all that. Sign up for a Verizon contract get you phone for free and get in line with all the sheep. Better yet pull out $500+ bones & pay MSRP to suppor tyour favorite manufacturer (they need the help with this economy).

 

[TisMyDroid]

Yes, excellent advice. Razr M for $200 makes sense but the HD's for $200 is exceptionally cheap. But, no matter what the price, should always check to make sure it has a clear esn on a private sale.

 

[jntdroid]

And even then you gotta be careful b/c they can report it stolen as soon as they sell it to you. It's always a good idea to, at the very least, call into Verizon together and notate the accounts - or just something "on record".

 

[Spey]

And even then you gotta be careful b/c they can report it stolen as soon as they sell it to you. It's always a good idea to, at the very least, call into Verizon together and notate the accounts - or just something "on record".

jntdroid,
Excellent idea, have you done this? It seems that if the phone is not on contract and/or in service, there would be no place to annotate the device transfer that wold be accessible to both seller & buyer ... Seems like the seller would need to call Verizon, give them pass-code to notate they are selling device - but without pass-code to the seller account, I am having a hard time understanding how the buyer would have any access to confirm before or after the money transaction.
Conceptually I like the plan I just seems to be missing some of the construct to put into practice?

Yes, I agree you need to consider seller could report a phone stolen before you receive it :frown: - but how would that bennift the seller? Provided you guys had an agreeable transaction there should be no reason for seller to do this. Additionally, seller would be committing a criminal crime and also be in breach of contract. Both Verizon, criminal court & civil court could be brought against them.

Now if it's a girlfriend selling her boy-friends phone to buy crack :blink:, well then that's where your selection of payment protection comes to bear.:biggrin:

Caveat Emptor is your guiding light!