1. DroidForums.net is currently undergoing a major software upgrade. If you are experiencing any problems logging in please: Contact Us

My only gripe with this phone is the Speaker Volume...

Discussion in 'Droid RAZR MAXX' started by kpazzo6, May 24, 2012.

  1. kpazzo6
    Offline

    kpazzo6 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I wish it was LOUDER! :disappointed:
  2. parkschr
    Offline

    parkschr New Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2010
    Messages:
    68
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Ohio
    I agree 100%! I did some testing and my Droid Incredible is much louder than this one.
  3. Sydman
    Offline

    Sydman Premium Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2010
    Messages:
    3,416
    Likes Received:
    201
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Austin, Tx
    The external or internal one? If you mean internal I would have to agree, I can't remember the last phone that I could hear very well on. External is more than loud enough for me though, I usually have to turn it down.
  4. parkschr
    Offline

    parkschr New Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2010
    Messages:
    68
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Ohio
    I mean the external one. My droid incredible is quite a bit louder than the maxx. There is a big difference between the two.
  5. 94lt1
    Offline

    94lt1 Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    11,265
    Likes Received:
    589
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SE TX
    Try the app volume+ at the play store. I use it on my xyboard for boosting audio. I love it.

    But for music, I use power amp. It has an adjustable pre- amp and different gain levels. :) hope this helps?

    For free, there are apps like audio EQ, and several others...

    DROID RAZR MAXXIMIZED!!!!
  6. kpazzo6
    Offline

    kpazzo6 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2012
    Messages:
    13
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    thanks that volume+ app did the trick for the most part dancedroid
  7. 94lt1
    Offline

    94lt1 Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    11,265
    Likes Received:
    589
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SE TX
    Glad I could help :D

    DROID RAZR MAXXIMIZED!!!! XPARENT BLUE!!!
  8. TisMyDroid
    Offline

    TisMyDroid New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2011
    Messages:
    4,453
    Likes Received:
    353
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Central New York
    Ahh, that is one thing I learned from you a long time ago. My speaker phone works great after installing volume +. The one thing I'm not sure but almost was going to test it out...for the bass, treble, etc settings, should I adjust those or leave them alone?

    Sent from my DROID RAZR Maxx using Droid Forums
  9. 94lt1
    Offline

    94lt1 Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    11,265
    Likes Received:
    589
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SE TX
    I adjusted them. I don't want alot of bass going to this tiny speaker :)

    DROID RAZR MAXXIMIZED!!!! XPARENT BLUE!!!
  10. altjx
    Offline

    altjx New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Messages:
    630
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Hmm, interesting. I've noticed this huge difference between my 4s and RAZR MAXX as well. You know how after you get something better and you try to make it appear that the flaws are still ok? Heh, that's me. I've also noticed too with the speaker that the person gets a little static as if they're too damn loud on the phone.
  11. 94lt1
    Offline

    94lt1 Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    11,265
    Likes Received:
    589
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SE TX
    Lol, agreed. But you have to consider this, you're getting a ton of volume out of a tiny speaker. This thing has a loud speaker that's smaller than air tweeters in some peoples cars.:screwy: And as far as I know, its cone is paper, the speaker magnet is pretty strong from what I've heard (I'd like to actually see for my self) but in manufacturing like this, I'm not sure the speakers get the same quality control as the chips, and the screen and so on.

    Infact something I've learned in my years of being in and around music is this, your ears can get tired too, a lot of producers and engineers only work a few hours a day because of this, could you imagine 8-12 hours of listening to these tiny things? :banghead: lol.

    But you're absolutely right, both of my maxx's are very different animals when it comes to the sound they will produce. The older one has more highs, the newer one has a better mid range response, while my wife's is flat as a board. This is with all 3 set up exactly the same way.

    My xyboard.... that's a horse of a different color. :thumbdown:

    DROID RAZR MAXXIMIZED!!!! XPARENT BLUE!!!

    EDIT: I'm very saddened to say this, but the difference in the iPhone 4s and any DROID as far as accurate music playback...... well that's the time that has been dedicated from IOS to just that. It breaks my heart that IOS is so far ahead of the game when it comes down to audio recording for music, or graphics design..... I had to buy an ipad3 just to get a really good recording interface with good playback.

    With the I rig, I can record any instrument into an iPhone/pad through the headphone jack. They also have microphones and then the software like pro logic..... WOW... I'm blown away and I feel like a trader. But its not that I like IOS better for any reason cause I'm DROID through and through... but IOS has developed their interface for this purpose. Droid needs to do the same. I hate that there is absolutely nothing for android that will compete with the IOS setup.

    I tried all sorts of apps for DROID, they recorded through the mic, not directly plugged... bad audio quality. But the apps were intuitive.

    IOS, great audio quality, apps are also intuitive and have a far broader scope. Garage band, is a lower level app, but still stomps on android because of how you have to record on android. Fender fuse, free for me because I own a mustang 4 amp from fender.... better yet, all sorts of add ons and ways to manipulate your sound. LOGIC PRO, BEST recording app I've ever seen/used/heard of. Well worth the 200$ I spent on it, and it will interface with the fender software and recordings....

    Please android, catch up!!! :( sorry, this is my plea. Android is just as good, If not better in many areas, but they just haven't spent the time on this like IOS has, and I wish that someone would. Heck call me up.. I'll help in development!!! If I can that is. :)
    Last edited: May 26, 2012
  12. altjx
    Offline

    altjx New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Messages:
    630
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Lol. Agreed.
  13. TisMyDroid
    Offline

    TisMyDroid New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2011
    Messages:
    4,453
    Likes Received:
    353
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Central New York
    You are so right... you can't deny apple for having such superior products when it comes to PC's or ipods or ipads. Their whole purpose in iPod was music. And they just tweaked and added a few things to come up w an iPhone. If iPhones had the customization and flexibility that android does then I really don't think android would have a market. Android has to catch up in sound production for music b4 iPhone decides to become more customizable or they may lose their android fan base. But then again, allot of ppl choose iPhone simply for that reason...that it is easy without all the customization. So android just needs to catch up with music sound quality.

    Sent from my DROID RAZR Maxx using Droid Forums
  14. altjx
    Offline

    altjx New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Messages:
    630
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Agreed with this as well. :)
  15. FoxKat
    Offline

    FoxKat Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2010
    Messages:
    8,606
    Likes Received:
    820
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Jeez, are you trying to de-throne me for the longest posts?:blink:
    By the way, the speakers in this phone are as you say...tiny. In fact, the are likely the smallest of their kind on any smart phone. That's good and bad. Size is the obvious good, frequency range and overall ability to move air (to create volume in the sound) are the bads.

    You are right that this uses a very strong magnet (motor) relative to it's size, but I'll respectfully disagree about one comment. I believe great attention to design engineering and quality control were placed on these simply because of how small and yet how well they perform given the tiny space in which they have to work.

    The engineers used a miniscule amount of case space inside the "bump" or "chin" (thicker top portion which houses the speaker, earpiece, two cameras, flash, proximity sensor, LED, and God knows what else is squeezed into that tiny space), to create a bit of a "bass reflex" cabinet, an acoustic suspension system for the speaker to both enhance bass response for more natural, warmer voice and audio, and to further increase volume. The space used was captured around the back and front with a tiny foam rubber grommet seal. It's very innovative in my mind, rather than molding the space into the case which would require a thicker phone form factor.

    The images below show the rear speaker from behind and on the small image you'll see a thin black line running around the corner and across toward the middle, then down and back to the other direction. That's the grommet, and the additional space on the left is the air cavity created to mimic an acoustic suspension speaker. You can also see the contacts which are pressure sensitive for the speaker, a problem some have reported where the speaker cuts out, but with pressure in the middle of the back of the phone the speaker works again. Apparently the contacts might either not touch as well as hoped, or they build up a tiny amount of corrosion or dust between them and the board pads.

    View attachment 50396 View attachment 50397

    The diaphragm is not paper, but a clear Mylar which is rather stuff and tears easily if attempts to remove the case back are not done properly and the spudger (pry tool) happens to hit it. The size of the transducer (speaker) is not incredibly small by headphone standards, in-ear ear buds, especially high end ones, can have upto three separate miniature transducers in a space far smaller than this. The real problems are the proximity to the ear drum, relatively far from it on the front (versus extremely close in the case of ear buds), and distant in the case of the speaker on the back, and the lack of a good acoustic coupling to the ear canal (sealed as in ear buds or over-ear headphones versus open-air as in on-ear headphones).

    Both speakers are in the rear of the phone, but the earpiece transmits the sound to the front through a slot in the motherboard and out the top of the glass. Below you see in the tiny image the actual speaker (actually mounted on the back and the slot in the motherboard which you can see through the transducer inside is how the sound travels to the front), and you can see a small portion of the original "cone" or diaphragm where it was torn off accidentally by the guy doing the tear-down with the spudger, and you can see that it's clear plastic (mylar). On the large image is the entire back of the motherboard with all the RF shields removed to expose all the incredible circuitry and technology packed into this amazing device. Both speakers are oval, but the rear speaker is much larger and a wider oval, whereas the earpiece is very small - tiny, and very long and narrow of an oval. Just another note, round speakers are the most efficient at producing sound, an also oval speakers induce a certain cone warping distortion due to them flexing while moving in and out. It's simply a characteristic of the case design that dictated oval rather than round transducers, and round would be both louder and sound less distorted, with better tonality.

    View attachment 50398 View attachment 50400

    For comparison, take a good set of headphones which likely has a considerably larger transducer and turn up the volume while not on your head, then hold it at the typical distance you hold your phone and notice how poorly the sound transmits and the lack of quality in the sound (frequency range).

    What the accomplish with that tiny transducer is truly amazing in my book, but it can be scratchy at maximum volume due to being overdriven. Is it loud enough, no, but to be louder it would need to be bigger and that is simply the limit to it's performance.

    Also when you place the phone against your ear, if you move it around slightly to position the earpiece accurately over you ear canal the sound can be greatly improved.

    Sent from my DROID RAZR MAXX using Xparent ICS Tapatalk 2 using Google voice to text translation. Please excuse any minor spelling, punctuation, capitalization or grammatical errors.
    Last edited: May 26, 2012
  16. ripper2860
    Offline

    ripper2860 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2011
    Messages:
    466
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    18

    If you had been de-throned, I think you recaptured it with your response post. :D.
  17. 94lt1
    Offline

    94lt1 Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    11,265
    Likes Received:
    589
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SE TX
    The knowledge of FoxKat is truly humbling :D thank you sir for making sure all was explained in great detail. And thank you for the knowledge. And I agree about the amazing technology inside these phones, except the cheap speaker material.

    Can you tell.me anything about the transducers they use? Or their processes? I would love to know :)

    DROID RAZR MAXXIMIZED!!!! XPARENT BLUE!!!
    Last edited: May 26, 2012
  18. FoxKat
    Offline

    FoxKat Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2010
    Messages:
    8,606
    Likes Received:
    820
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Go back and look at my original post again, I've added pics to help. I did this from the desktop since I had them stored there. Click on the pics to view close-up. :biggrin:
  19. 94lt1
    Offline

    94lt1 Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    11,265
    Likes Received:
    589
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SE TX
    Thank you sir!!

    DROID RAZR MAXXIMIZED!!!! XPARENT BLUE!!!
  20. FoxKat
    Offline

    FoxKat Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2010
    Messages:
    8,606
    Likes Received:
    820
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    They are really no different than most any other typical transducer, a coil over magnet structure and a suspended diaphragm.
Search tags for this page
droid maxx volume too low
,
droid razr m speaker volume
,

droid razr maxx volume control

,
droid razr speaker not loud
,

droid razr speaker volume

,

droid razr speaker volume low

,
ear speaker voulume on droid razar mini
,
how do you make call volume louder droid razr
,
how to make my razr max louder
,

how to make razr maxx louder

,
razr m speaker phone volume
,

razr maxx volume

,
razr maxx volume control
,
razr maxx volume issue
,
verizon droid razr maxx volume too low