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VZW disabling tethering apps from market

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As for excessive usage...
VZW allows sling boxing and mine should be in place this week, will have to see what numbers that and my DX generate...
If close to or over 5 gig I don't see them booting me for legitimate usage, that said... The will have another way to imply tethering ...

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It states right there that they use data usage to determine if you are using in violation of tos.

Now why would they do that if they can tell who is guilty of tether?

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Technology has changed a lot in 4 years. I don't know if they can differentiate the data or not, but it wouldn't suprise me.

Packet sniff for browsers other than those on the phones, for P2P apps, etc.. It wouldn't be that hard to differentiate what is coming from a phone or other device.

One example, netflix. If you are streaming from netflix you are automatically not using a phone since none of the phones support it yet.

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I remember when one of the "bypass" software that worked for feature phones and windows smartphones (back at winmob 5) got cracked down on. I was one of the ones using it and was hit with a $1,000 bill.

The thing is though, the bypass software was definitely trackable and only for smartphones. Featurephones had to mess with the WAP server information and it was 100% untrackable unless you used an excess amount, since it appeared to be the same type of data as trial app downloads. IIRC smartphones have never used WAP and their use of data can absolutely be tracked.
 
Wow. This thread has kept me in the bathroom longer than I expected this morning. :) Ayways, I've read quite a few people on here mention that more people would pay for tethering if the pricing allotted for smaller chunks of data, such as "why pay $20 for 2 gigabytes when I'm only tethering 500 megabytes?"

I actually brought this up with a Verizon tech way back right before the official Froyo was pushed out. I was asking about the new usb tethering option and what I was told was yes, first you had to sign up for it, but you could also take it off your account at anytime and only get charged a prorated amount.

Meaning, if you were visiting your sister for the weekend and she lived somewhere without internet access, then you could call up Friday evening before you left and add tethering to your account. Use it for the weekend, and then Monday call and take it off, then when the bill came in at the end of the month, you would only be charged for what you consumed at whatever the going rate is.

Now this has nothing to do with the morality of tethering or thew TOS os anything else. I just wanted to pass this info forward to those who expressed concerns about paying for 2gigs and using less.

Granted, this conversation between Verizon and I was a while back, but I haven't seen anything in their plan changes that would affect this (Assuming the support tech I talked to was correct).

I don't currently own a computer because with my lifestyle, my smartphone has become my personal computer. But, In still have the Wireless and Wired tethering apps installed because when my fiance brings her laptop over and needs to do her schoolwork (she attends university online), then I can just turn it on and let her work while I lay in bed and do my own thing at night. Am I breaking my TOS? Hell yeah. If Verizon wants to terminate my service then go for it, but I'm pretty sure that with the amount of data I consume my head isn't that high up on the chopping block.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you tether "legitimately" doesn't your phone access data using a seperate .. um.. well domain (not 100% on the tech side of things because I haven't read much into) That's how Verizon can track and bill your usage. All tethered data goes through (for example) myphone.tether instead of just myphone.data. These domains are hardcoded in your phone's VRAM and when you boot your phone they are loaded into memory. There is a hack available for the Droid X/Droid 2 (search mydroidworld) which you can flash which will change the domain used for tethering, so you can effectively tether using the built in app and not be redirected to the Verizon site which asks you to register. My terminology may not be spot as I'm no expert in this field.

Now how third party apps work, I have no clue. Since Android is open source based I don't even know if they even attempt to hide the fact that you are tethering considering that that isn't any concern to them, nor have I read any claim stating that by using their apps, the fact that you are tethering will be hidden.

But Verizon isn't stupid and don't have to resort to checking packets, etc. to get their point across. They most certainly know typical and atypical usage patterns. Using a set of equations, they could failrly easily come up with a list of suspected tetherers and send a C&D letter much like AT&T did with iPhone users. Also keep in mind, AT&T, last I read, did not have any method of identifying tetherers. They sent this letter to users with high bandwith usage or to those that matched typical tethering patterns. AT&T hoped that everyone tethering would have been scared enough to either stop or to call in and have the tethering plan attached to their account.

Anyways, back t what I was saying. Verizon knows how much bandwith a smartphone can max out per month. If you exceed this, then you are most likely tethering (most likely sharing your connection). Smartphone users are also fairly predictable and obviously the more you tether the more you stand out. Different equations can be created using this principle. Hopefully everyone gets where I'm headed with this because I don't need to teach statistics this morning.

Once Verizon has their suspected tetherers, out wll come the letters much like AT&T. No definitive proof at this point, but they hope to scare enough people into buying the service. Possibly those people that they know for a fact ar tethering (those using more bandwith per month then possible) will have the package added to their account.

What scares me though is if Google let's the carriers have the same level of control over our phones that they do. Then all Verizon (or any carrier for that matter) would have to do is remotely uninstall any tethering app from "infected" phones periodically. I don't see this ever happening though.
 
It states right there that they use data usage to determine if you are using in violation of tos.

Now why would they do that if they can tell who is guilty of tether?

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Technology has changed a lot in 4 years. I don't know if they can differentiate the data or not, but it wouldn't suprise me.

Packet sniff for browsers other than those on the phones, for P2P apps, etc.. It wouldn't be that hard to differentiate what is coming from a phone or other device.

One example, netflix. If you are streaming from netflix you are automatically not using a phone since none of the phones support it yet.

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If they're tracking by where you're connecting then can't you just use a VPN to tunnel data. I'm pretty sure there are VPN apps for smartphones so this would be indistinguishable.
 
I paid for mobile hotspot and used two tehering apps in the same month and only the mobile hotspot showed up on my bill. I used alot of data with barnacle but I only used 500 mb with the one I paid for. And 500mb showed up on my bill, not 3 gb. So I guess they can't tell.

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I'm sure they can track feature phones. If they couldn't you wouldn't have tiered data packages. And most features you are pushing it to use 75MB in a month, let alone the 150MB they offer. So if you request unlimited data and use 1GB+ in a month you are going to set of red flags. LOL
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I'm sure they can track feature phones. If they couldn't you wouldn't have tiered data packages. And most features you are pushing it to use 75MB in a month, let alone the 150MB they offer. So if you request unlimited data and use 1GB+ in a month you are going to set of red flags. LOL
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No, I don't mean feature phones now, that's why I said "back in the day." They have absolutely made changes to the way feature phones work and they are now trackable. My parents still use v3ms and the WAP tricks straight up don't work anymore (since the plan was upgraded back when I got a centro).
 
You can sling box netflix to you phone no tether...so that ones not an indicator...

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This is different though. To verizon, this appears as a connection to slingbox's servers, whereas streaming netflix to a tethered device appears as a connection to netflix's servers.
 
And it all comes down to this.

If anyone and I mean anyone has proof that you are stealing from them the will take action. You would take the most effective form of action to stop it.

You wouldn't say well my neighbor is stealing my tools so let me cover my driveway up to try and stop him.

If vzw can prove you tether and ant to stop you the would. The fact is no one has been hauled into court for tethering. You can say all you want well they just overlook it. WRONG. Defend vzw all you want the fact is they are out for money. They are not going to look the other way.

One last time where is the proof that vzw can tell who tethers?

Again no on answers this question.


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And it all comes down to this.

If anyone and I mean anyone has proof that you are stealing from them the will take action. You would take the most effective form of action to stop it.

You wouldn't say well my neighbor is stealing my tools so let me cover my driveway up to try and stop him.

If vzw can prove you tether and ant to stop you the would. The fact is no one has been hauled into court for tethering. You can say all you want well they just overlook it. WRONG. Defend vzw all you want the fact is they are out for money. They are not going to look the other way.

One last time where is the proof that vzw can tell who tethers?

Again no on answers this question.


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I dont think they can either. Oh and the att issue it time to tell part 2 of that story. Att went after high data users, who some were not tethering, and the customers called back very angry. Actually even people who were guilty called back angry claiming they were not tethering. Att did not want to drive customers away especially because vzw also had the iphone so they apologized and life went on. Vzw do not have the time and the resources to go after every use so they have to pick a spot. If you are within that 1-5 gig a month total data range then the chances of them picking you are slim. to add to that if you go to sites your droid supports then it will be even harder to prove without a doubt. If you are racking 10-20 gigs and you are using the xbox and downloading torrents then thats like speeding past the police station in a sports car, throwing empty beer cans out the window, during the day, basically you are asking to be caught.
 
I paid for mobile hotspot and used two tehering apps in the same month and only the mobile hotspot showed up on my bill. I used alot of data with barnacle but I only used 500 mb with the one I paid for. And 500mb showed up on my bill, not 3 gb. So I guess they can't tell.

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Nice now we have a confirm that they can't do it. Thanks for your comment.

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