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As long as they can keep them cool and decent battery life I'm looking forward to 4+ processors. I'm holding out on updating my D2 for something maybe quad/octa-core :) I love my D2 and can't bring myself to part with it haha. Plus the challanges brought on by the super phones should be fun. Its gonna be something I'm tuned in on for sure

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I think its important for us to remember that more cores doesn't necessarily equal proportionally more processing speed. Interviews with chipset manufacturers (i believe the one I read was with Steve jobs but it was a while ago so I can't provide an exact source atm) have indicated that they're aware that theyre going to have a difficult time keeping up with the rates of improvement they've provided in the past. This is largely because despite the doubling of transistor counts every two years, software manufacturers don't know what to do with all these processors. He said they've done fairly well with two but with four they're pretty much clueless. Its hard to harness all of the processing power because if the computations exceed the capacity of the processors individual cache, it has to use the much slower general memory of the computer. Thus a bottleneck is created. As we all know, performance is only as good as the weakest link, which is often the algorithm running the hardware. Its cost prohibitive to spend so much time developing algorithms when hardware is advancing so fast. To produce much faster results, programs must be coded to use all cores simultaneously without redundancy. Parallel processing has its limits.

This may sound unrelated to the post but I think its actually central to our analysis of what is to come in terms of not just raw specs but in terms of actual performance increases. This is something Apple has always excelled at - optimization. In light of this, perhaps we can safely invest in a good dual core device without fear of falling far behind the curve.

As the OP pointed out, there's a trend toward marginal quarterly or biannual improvement. Maybe our recognizing that two cores well-optimized is better than four that aren't optimized will remind phone manufacturers that more transistors isn't enough. With twice as many cores we expect twice as much performance. Especially when retail phone pricing is approaching the price point of mid range laptops.


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They just don't get it. There should be a LOT more development dollars going into batteries. Making them more efficient and flexible. I too can't wait for the day when I can get through an entire day of heavy use.

The problem with battery life isn't a fault of the lithium ion technology. Its the failure of software manufacturers to optimize their applications for maximum battery life of the device. Generally speaking, hardware and software manufacturers are at odds with respect to battery life. They need get along only well enough to coexist. I'm by no means an apple fan and have never owned one of their devices but again I would reference the iPhone. Their batteries are usually fairly small in terms if mAh, but they last because they are pretty well optimized.

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On the subjects of what Ashiytl brought up. First, in addition to the software being optimized, there's also the fact that there's really no reason for the average user to go that high tech yet. Just like a few years ago, the average person wouldn't have need for a 1tb hdd. Most average users don't need more than 2 cores and even then that's a lot for some.

Onto the battery life, he's exactly right. The great thing about apple is when the same company makes the hardware and the software, they are extremely compatible! Software and hardware people usually don't get along very well! ;)
 
As an HTC owner I've noticed that I get significantly less signal than my fiance does on her Droid X. In the Verizon store itself, I bounce between 2-3 bars while she sits at 4. Living in a rural area this is a major buying factor to me. I like the idea of the Prime but I have a question for Samsung owners. How does your signal compare?

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The problem with battery life isn't a fault of the lithium ion technology. Its the failure of software manufacturers to optimize their applications for maximum battery life of the device. Generally speaking, hardware and software manufacturers are at odds with respect to battery life. They need get along only well enough to coexist. I'm by no means an apple fan and have never owned one of their devices but again I would reference the iPhone. Their batteries are usually fairly small in terms if mAh, but they last because they are pretty well optimized.

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I agree with what you say here. I do still think batteries need to become flexible. There is a lot of work being done privately for this. Which would allow for "thinner" batteries that can fit in strange places and still carry large abounts of power. Apple's abbility to get better battery life has more to do with what they have limited their software to. And how they run apps. It isn't hardware related. I would rather see the same Android software with more powerful batteries than a limited OS.
 
I agree with what you say here. I do still think batteries need to become flexible. There is a lot of work being done privately for this. Which would allow for "thinner" batteries that can fit in strange places and still carry large abounts of power. Apple's abbility to get better battery life has more to do with what they have limited their software to. And how they run apps. It isn't hardware related. I would rather see the same Android software with more powerful batteries than a limited OS.

Def not a dumbed down OS but an OS that works with the hardware better. There are plenty of apps that kill your battery that is a software problem, not a hardware problem. Same with the OS. Batteries def need to be fixed too but I'd say software is extremely important probably more so.
 
Hahaha, sbenson, that is awesome. I read it... thought about it.... said it out loud.... then laughed out loud.
 
I my accept soft buttons at the bottom of the screen, but I find the one-button set-up of IOS to be frustratingly simple - I love my back, home and menu keys (could probably do without the search button). And I'm skeptical to how well gestures would work with people who load-up screens with widgets and apps, since presumably touching the screen to perform a gesture could launch one of those apps/widgets instead.

Maybe I missed it, but there's been no mention of gestures being used in ICS. I believe the onscreen buttons will be awesome, and a Truss stated, hopefully it's possible that they can be hidden at will to maximize screen real estate.
 
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