Verizon's CFO Says that "unlimited" is "just a word" and "doesn't mean anything."

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  1. suzukimethod

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    as i said above, i'm not happy with their pricing choices for their shared plans, and if anyone had data coverage even close to VZW in my area, i'd be all over switching (i have no loyalty to big red) and fully support anyone who thinks they can get a better deal elsewhere. I'm lucky enough to have good wifi at home/work, and good to great 4g at places where friends phones dont even get a signal, so i am stuck with them and their prices if i want my phone to work all the places i use it, and able to choose a lower data tier since i can supplement with wifi.

    my larger point was that verizon is probably happy to lose the small percentage of users who use very large amounts of data, especially if they can offset those losses with shared plans that are more favorable to them. my hope is that they gradually (or sooner/faster) increase the data available at the same price point, since their current tiers are weak.
     
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    I wouldn't call myself "loyal" to them, so much as I like their network better.

    I just don't like them very much.

    Sent from my Nexus 7
     
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    I love the network most of the time. After 2 months with a 4G phone I may be hooked. However to me it just feels like blatant gouging.

    From an Eclipsed GNEX
     
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    i have 2 more years to jump ship. At that point, I'd hope Sprint is farther along with their LTE.
     
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    I also have two years left with Verizon "tied down with them", but who knows what type of data prices they will have by then, in the meantime my S3 and Rezound will do me just fine for the foreseeable future. Both smartphones do everything I need them to so and more, reason I got the S3 was because it would have been my last subsidized upgrade and able to keep my unlimited data plan. Who knows what will happen in two years with Verizon or the other carriers with their pricing structure, till then I am not sweating it. My brother is though since his kids want the new iPhone, he has 4 smartphones and with Verizons current share plan it would cost him more every month, he is not happy about it and contemplating of switching, but since he has been with Verizon forever I don't see it happening.
     
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    It's just business. Currently Verizon has the best 3G & 4G coverage in the US and as such are the carrier of choice among many travelers as well as younger families that utilize family plans. Once a competitor has developed a reasonably big/competitive footprint of 4G and offer better value-pricing plans than VZW the customers will follow resulting in a market share gain for the competitor at the expense of the other competitors including VZW. The marketing departments of the "losing" competitors will deploy new value pricing schemes of their own to try and lure customers to their side and regain (or surpass) the earlier share numbers. This cycle will go back and forth which will generally result in a win for the consumer.

    According to claims of AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile in two years time the US 4G coverage maps should rival each other and be competitive with VZW, a slight bias likely to Verizon due to their infrastructure head start but not enough of an advantage to swing the market just on this characteristic. Within this time frame we will see a more saturated market in terms of 4G utilization which should translate into a more cost conscious customer base, something not lost on the big four US providers. Aside from recognizing the return on investment the carriers need to return to the shareholders as they roll out their 4G network we should still see some good value competition in the near future...my hope!
     
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    I'm pissed

    There is no tier to the new plan. You pay $10 more for every 2GB from 2GB to 10GB, so if you spend more you only get the same. At least before the more you bought the more you got, but now you get nothing extra. It's more bull than pulling the grandfathered in unlimited plans. The whole point of grandfathered in is that we have been with them so long we got this deal before they knew better. So much for having them for over 10 years, what a back stabbing.

    To the important part, they try to say it's okay because most people use less than 2GB with unlimited. If this was the case then how is this new plan going to make them money? As soon as my girlfriend got here new phone and I got bent over the counter in the store over verizon. Her usage has doubled and she isn't doing anything different than before. She just gets so much more done in that same time. I sold my cousin my other phone and gets to keep his unlimited plan. He is now streaming netflix all day long for me just to get even. He used over 3GB in 4 days. Then his bill started over. Hoping to see 30GB this month.
     
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    I went to verizon yesterday. i have 2 smartphones on unlimited data i wanted to turn on my kids used iphone and add data then add a line for my other kid and add data plan. they tried their best to analyze what i use and justify getting a shared plan. it worked out to the same money but i would loose unlimited on my 2 phones......hmmmmmm No i said! she said but it wouldnt matter you dont use enough looking at the past 3 mo. to even worry about unlimited. i said but yeah i may need it because if i take a trip and play slacker radio for 10hrs while driving i will run over then what???? she had no answer.
     
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    They usually don't.
     
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    I'll let you in on a little tactic they are trying now. I have a USB modem that I have used here for years. I started out with Alltel and the unlimited plan. Naturally when they bought out Altell I was grandfathered in. After about 2 years the 3G Alltel modem finally went out and they sent me a new 3G Verizon USB modem. They still left me on the unlimited plan with the new modem.

    Shortly after that my 1.7 to 2.0 download speeds started dropping to around 200-600 and sometimes lower. I called and after many times on with support I was told that my account indicated that I was currently under some type of restriction for the remainder of the month, for heavy users. That after passing 2-3Gb in a month, speeds are reduced for the remainder of the month. Of course speaking with different support persons gave different levels. Some said it tripped at 2GB, some said 3GB and one said 5GB.

    I normally use 6-20GB per month with this modem and my desktop. (Using a Cradlepoint MBR-1000 Router). They claimed that if on a congested cell site that being a heavy user I would be restricted in speed till the congestion cleared. Now I live in a rural area and doubt that many people out here use verizon for Internet on their desktops. Most use some form of Satellite Internet for desktops and laptops as there is no 4G here, and Sat speeds are about what 3G are here. We are 25 miles from any city and only about 200 people in a 10 mile radius.

    They are doing this to force unlimited data plans onto the shared plan. So far I have suffered through it, and either they gave up, or the raccoons out here stopped downloading movies here in the woods, as my speed (except for tonight) has run around 1.5 to 2.2mb down and 400kb up for the last few months. I thought it unfair and talked to the States Attorney General here, but they said there is nothing they can do, that Verizon is within their rights to throttle users.

    Of course living in Alabama I expect that response. "Alabama,The best Politicians Money can buy".
     
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    Well said. Wish he'd read somethin like this and take a hint.
    I wish I could challenge him to come down to our level. Pay the same bills we do and then tell me unlimited is a thing of the past. Pay the same bill with my salary /me throws gauntlet.
     
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    Why VZW REALLY got rid of unlimited data

    I was a rep for VZW and I can honestly tell you why VZW got rid of unlimited data.

    1. Business decision - Everyone is out to make money, and lots of it. We know this already. But VZW is the most experienced company in the world - flat out - when it comes to communication. They know that everything is going mobile, and data is the next big commodity, so they needed to be prepared WELL in advance for the future. The way the world will communicate 5-10 years from now will mostly be through the internet. Yes let's all be honest, if you control that, you control everything.

    2. iPhones - Originally, VZW was going to get the iPhone first (*gasp*), but because of disagreements between them and Apple, it didn't happen. When the iPhone finally did come, a HUGE influx of users grasped onto it and began to pile down on the 3G network, making data speeds much slower than they should have been. Thank Apple for VZW's huge advancement in 4G LTE, because it was this situation that forced VZW to protect its reputation and look for other (faster and stronger) means of data transit for future phones (iPhone 5) so this situation wouldn't happen again. In the mean time, unlimited data for phones meant iPhones and data abusers would make VZW's network look like trash, so that helped fuel the decision.

    3. That 5% - Here's some interesting statistics for you:

    - At the time VZW made this decision, only about 8% of VZW customers were on 4G.
    - 95% of VZW customers averaged about 1GB-1.5GB of monthly data usage
    - 90% of users carrier-wide avg'd less than 2GB monthly on unlimited plans
    - 5% of data users on VZW's network could account for well over 60% of the data used monthly by subscribers

    Here's another related statistic. 4% of the U.S. population can account for 90% of the wealth in the United States

    See the correlation?

    I know some of us INCLUDING MYSELF would have loved to keep unlimited data, as even on my employee line (which isn't unlimited) I've used nearly 30GB of data myself one month just to test out how much I could possibly use in a month on a 4G Razr MAXX. I did the test without metering anything, this included downloading, tethering, HD Vid streaming, radio, GPS you name it. I pruposely tried to abuse it, and I'm averaging about 10GB regularly now. Yes it would be nice if we all still held on to that freedom of unlimited Netflix not over WiFi, and great workout sessions with Pandora everyday. But even for us tech-savvy users, most of us really don't use that much data in comparison to that 5%. It's people like ^BRAINIAC^ here from the quote that slow down the network for EVERYONE else, and force VZW, AT&T, and SOON SPRINT to get rid of unliimted data. Downloading 320GB in a ****ing weekend tethering from your phone is crazy. The phones or networks were NEVER designed to do that. On top of that you are using the network "NOTICEABLY" for illegal **** like downloading HD movies all day long. Grant it I'm not indicting you for it, but from VZW's biz perspective which they know about, they don't like users using their network for things like that, including business ventures and other things that require exuberant amounts of data, without paying them for it. That is why AT&T throttles unlimited data users when they get past 5GB because they don't want their networks impacted for anyone else. Consider this to be why your home internet FiOS or XFINITY Bundle advertises that you can get up to 50mbps downloads but during "peak hours" you only get about 15-20mbps. This is because the traffic in the area is at a very high level and just like a highway, the more traffic, the slower the drive. Wireless performance is much more sacred than wired, which is why when you have a 750GB/month bohemith in your area taking up 90% of the data usage on a particular tower, VZW would get mad. Hell, AT&T would call you directly and tell you politely to **** off from their service altogether, ETF fees waived and all. It's like the stupid kids in school that used to ruin recess for everyone when they kept doing stupid **** in the back of the classroom. You know you were doing just fine, but it had to be that dickhead from bum****-ville to ruin it for everyone. VZW takes the most pride in it's network, investing over a billion bucks a year into it, and having it slowed for any reason would cost them their reputation. So don't totally blame VZW for trying to f*ck over everyone else, give some of your cold hard feelings to assholes making it harder on everyone else. Give it about 3 years, and EVERYONE will have tiered data lol. It sucks, but our world in every way is corrupted. O well, onto the next.


    4. VZW is like any other business: They are out to make money. The punk ass crybabies that keep *****ing about how VZW is after your money and want's to rape them and keep threatening to switch... go ahead and switch. Switch to AT&T and find out later on that AT&T has 2 "4th Generation" networks. (how there can be two fourth generation anythings from one company still baffles me, but then again, theirs the iPhone 4 & 4s lol). Then watch every AT&T commercial and see how ATT says they have the largest 4G network around and be LIED to. Then start b*tching about how AT&T has this problem and that problem. Or go to Sprint, and in 2 years get a rude awakening when you find out they are getting rid of unlimited data too. Be in another quarrel about how Sprint sucks and you want to switch. It will never end. Consider facts first before making impulsive decisions, because flat out, LTE is where the real speed is regardless of network. Sprint barely has any LTE coverage, and their WiMax pails in comparison to LTE. T-Mobile has upgraded 3G not 4G, and cricket, U.S. cellular and all the rest of the lower level companies can't be in the same conversation (not calling them bad but just irrelevant in this topic). AT&T and Sprint will be doing the SAME thing VZW is doing now, which is stopping unlimited data because they'll have to. All of the carriers will soon be trying to control your pockets, honestly. VZW was just the first to do it. Data is the wave of the future, and a goldmine for suppliers. Don't expect too much dignity from any of your carriers, including VZW. All of the companies are corrupted, as our world is. The only real way to keep unlimited data on VZW or AT&T is paying full retail for a phone (*cough* eBaycraigslist *cough*) and activating it - which IMO is worth it to me - or upgrade a different line on a family plan and switch the devices around. I still have to say VZW has the best network for the U.S., AT&T is the best internationally, Sprint has the best bang-for-your-buck, and T-Mobile is the cheapest. Make your 2-year contract term decisions based off of that, because the data-bug is going to bite you all over. IMO they all suck lol if I had my way I'd be using WiFi for every call, text, and surf that I make and not pay any of the carriers a DIME !

     
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