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New Droids To Include Double Locked Bootloaders and Encrypted Fastboot Commands

Discussion in 'Android News' started by DroidModderX, Jul 10, 2013.

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    This week has been a week of oppression and injustice in the root community. Samsung and Motorola have both released updates which block root, and patch bootloader unlock methods. The Galaxy S4 udpate not only took away root but also made the bootloader more secure. The Motorola update patched root and the bootloader unlock exploit. If you have received the update on the RAZR HD series devices before unlocking your bootloader then you may not have root on your device any time soon.

    There has also been some information that has come to the surface regarding the security of the upcoming Droid series of devices on Verizon. It would appear that Verizon has placed their proverbial foot down! They have had enough of this rooting business and would like for it to end abruptly. According to sources new motorola devices will have double locked bootloaders and encrypted fastboot commands. This could be detrimental for anyone wishing to root or mod these devices. Hopefully Kexec or Loki could be worked out for these devices, but normally developers won't adopt a device unless the device has an unlocked bootloader out of the gate.

    If these phones are locked down will you still purchase one?
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    Absolutely not. Seems like such wasted effort on their part.

    Sent from my XT926 using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2
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    I don't get it. Why can't we be free and why can't they just give people what they want? Nothing but flat out greed makes this happen. I hope whoever makes these decisions suffers as they are killing all innovation. I guess I'll be sticking to my Gnex for a very long time. It still works flawlessly.
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    Let the BOUNTIES begin!
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    Looks like my next phone is a used Droid 4 on eBay
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    [HR][/HR]I would not. Period.
    This is why I stay away from Motorola
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    Wow, I am really pissed at Samsung. At this rate I might have to look into prepaid options.
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    As always Motorola likes to sprinkle bad ideas and half-baked feature concepts into otherwise potentially awesome devices. It looks like my Droid 4 may be the last Motorola device I own for a while. I had an issue during one of the ICS updates on my Droid 4 where the OS was full of glitches due to a corrupted OTA update file. Since my device is not under warranty I had to fix it myself by flashing a fastboot version of the same update. Imagine if car owners couldn't "pimp" or customize their cars the way they wanted because the manufacturer put limits, locks, restrictions, etc on a car.

    HEY MOTOROLA!!! I OWN THE DEVICE!!! :cus:
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    Are the lock downs on Verizon only or all Samsung S4s.

    Why not a Sony phone? They seem to be playing very nice with devs. Maybe an HTC One. From what I've seen its relatively easy to root and unlock the bootloader.
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    I wonder if Google might expand their developer/unlocked phones. And then the carriers will lock them down tight. So if you want a developer phone, you will pay retail thru the Play Store. That way the carriers don't have to mess with whatever problems presumably arise from unlocking/rooting.

    But you have to remember we are a small % of users and ultimately have little impact. And if carriers and manufacturers collude then we will have virtually no impact with few options.

    That said, nothing wrong with my S-Off Rezound. Might even get a new battery some day and keep it for a while.
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    Developer phones are great but get little dev support because most people don't want to pay $600+ for a phone and its not worth the devs time to create for them...

    And yes we are a small percent so leave us alone.

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    And here I thought Motorola was trying to change and produce products that would make the us, the consumers, happy. I guess all those ads and crap were just lies.

    What's Verizon got against rooting/bootloader unlocking anyways? My phone bill is exactly the same it was when my Note 2 was running stock as it is now.
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    Tis just a way to stir more ppl towards those expensive 'google edition' phones...
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    This will change with the Moto X I believe.
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    You know, if I could backup apps and data on my phone, and then restore those apps and data after a phone refresh (like I can with MyBackupPro or Titanium), I WOULDN'T NEED ROOT.

    Or if they would allow App developers permissions to make changes to all aspects of the UI, to create "enhancements" for the Stock device, there WOULD BE NO NEED FOR ROOT.

    The reason Root is needed is because locked down devices are limited for POWER USERS.
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    There are two things that come to my mind when I read this article. The first is, "What do Verizon and Motorola gain from doing stuff like this?" Why not make methods of knowing when someone has rooted their phone more advanced and make it known to the public that if you root you are out of warranty. That seems fair to me. That way they allow us to do what we want with our phones but they make it known that they don't have to cover us if we do something wrong. The second thing that comes to mind is "Is there a company like HTC or Sony who take advantage of Moto and Samsung tightening up?" What I mean is HTC could easily appeal to our community and even consumers as a whole by campaigning the fact that when you buy their phones you own it and its yours to do as you please. Why don't companies read forums like this and take into account our opinions? For the most part our ideas would make phones more desirable to all consumers, tech savvy or not.
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    I maintained root using voodoo ota root keeper on the update I got yesterday. RAZR Maxx HD.
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    Yes, but if Rooting allows you to Tether without paying VZW that extra $15? I'd say that hurts VZW.
    And as long as "Rooter's and Jailbreakers" make up (at best) 5% of the market, no one is going to care about them.
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    https://play.google.com/store/apps/...xLDIxMiwiY29tLmtvdXNoaWtkdXR0YS5iYWNrdXAiXQ.. Though not as easy and convenient as TiBu, it works. I used it on my Dad's nonrooted Galaxy Note and it worked just fine.
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    I'm guessing that's all that Verizon cares about - paying for a bricked phone that someone tried to incorrectly root and getting screwed out of the tethering fee. If they could find a way to track those they might not lock the phones. I have no reason to root or tether, but I think that if someone does that they should adhere to the contract instead of finding ways around it. Doing anything else is grounds for a lawsuit from Verizon if it were not for the fact that the suit would cost them more than what they would get back. I'm not a fan of Verizon's pricing, but others cheating Verizon just makes them increase fees and that costs me money.
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