Samsung Planning to Kill Off Unofficial Accessories?

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    Ever find yourself on vacation and realize you forgot your wall charger for your smartphone? Yeah, it happens to everyone at some point in their smartphone owning lives. Luckily it's not even a problem. You just go out to the nearest store, fork out $5-$8 for a generic one and your on your way. Crisis averted! What if we told you that if your a Samsung fan that scenario may just become a whole lot more complicated in the future? Yes, running out and picking up a charger just to 'get you by' may be a thing of the past if your a Samsung fan.

    According to ETNews Samsung Electronics recently distributed an authenticity recognition chip to its accessory business division and suppliers, and made it mandatory to install the chip on all their accessories. What exactly does this mean? It means that Samsung assigns a unique ID to the chip in the case, wireless charging pad, wall charger etc. This chip detects the authenticity of the smartphone accessory, and if it is not authentic, the accessory cannot be used. So getting your hands on an accessory when you left your authorized one at home will now become a very big issue.

    According to Samsung they established this authenticity policy apparently for the sake of reliability--cough *BS* cough--. Here at DroidForums HQ we tend to think ETNews hit the nail on the head when they said:

    If this report turns out to be accurate Sammy may face some serious backlash. If you are saying to yourself "Gee this sounds like what Apple did", well pat yourself on the back. This is exactly what Apple did.

    Sound off in the comments below. We want to hear your rants and/or praises.

    Source: ETNews
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    Lemonade factor? You'll know very quickly if that "genuine Samsung product in generic retail packaging" you got on Amazon or ebay for $3.95 , including s/h, is a knock off or not.

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    I remember the same with the new Apple charging ports and chip...If I'm not mistaken they have figured that out already..
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    I am kind of torn on this issue. On one hand I see this for what is really is, Samsung trying to squeeze more money out of the consumer. Yet on the other hand I don't really buy non genuine accessories because I don't trust them.

    It would be a little more tolerable if they also along with this decreased the price of their accessories a bit. $40+ for a home charging cable is madness.
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    Those darn Chinese reverse engineerers :D

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    I thought it was standard that phone companies had to use an unabated USB micro connector?

    I am opposite. I have found a few non genuine companies that I like for 5-8 bucks. I like the fact most non genuine companies charge at the full 2.1A charge instead of the dang eco mode of like 500ma.
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    This is madness. But alas, the chip will get reverse engineered.

    All to do about nothing.
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    If true I will have purchased my last Samsung product.
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    Too many choices in products to even entertain the idea of buying their stuff if they try this junk.

    At a few bucks a piece I have chargers at work, in my car, in my suitcase, in my travel bag, in my wife's car, in several rooms in the house, etc.

    If they think I'm spending x5-x10 more per charger just for their "licensed" product... they're high.
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    This is an attempt to be further "Apple-Like".

    It won't stop here. Perhaps a Samsung App store is in their future. :icon_eek:
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    We have an app for that..

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    I'm kind of torn on this. Cheap accessories can in fact damage your phone. But at the same time, when they charge so damn much for a charger or cable, its highway robbery.
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    That is a bunch of BS!!! If Samsung starts to become the next Apple, then I'm moving back to Motorola products.
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    While this may be an inconvenience it's also a good idea because unregulated and so-called "universal" adapters could be hazardous to electronic devices. I remember with my first Droid I bought a stand-alone battery charger that also had a USB port for charging the phone directly. The battery part worked but when I plugged the usb in my phone went crazy; it was like the phone was possessed and started scrolling through screens and opening apps on it's own. Fortunately Samsung still offers devices with user-swappable batteries so you can carry spares which could decrease the inconvenience of being without an official power adapter. My question is that many companies also offer external power packs to use with phones. Will these new chips make the phones not work with those universal power packs?
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    Absolutely Agree, or perhaps maybe by that time LG or SONY Phablet division (I own a NOTE 3 right now and can't go back to smaller phones) will be more attractive.
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    i'm really wondering if they would be able to do this for chargers, maybe for headsets, etc, but not for chargers!!!!
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    More reason to buy Motorola. If samsung tries to copy Apple they can rot like them.
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    Damn right!
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    You folks know me as a strong advocate for OEM chargers and OEM cables, but not for the reason of profitability (duh...). I happen to know that for a fact most third-party charger adapters use terribly inferior components, much simpler voltage step-down components, low-level AC to DC converters and crude filtering, and ultimately produce very dirty DC voltages. Dirty power being pumped into these EXTREMELY sensitive devices with circuitry in the processors, for instance that have "wires" (printed conductive traces), which are (as in the case of the processor in the S4), 28nm or smaller (28 nanometers or 28 billionths of a meter - .000028 millimeters - 28 one-hundred-thousandths of a millimeter), causes these extremely small components to suffer stresses (expansion and contraction) due to the power fluctuations. It increases power consumption and causes heat as a byproduct as well.

    Take duplicate copies of the same circuit and run one with clean power, the other with dirty power. The one with the clean power will run faster and with less heat generated, as well as will remain in operable condition far longer than the one supplied with dirty power, all other things being equal. The MTBF (Mean Time Between Failures), drops precipitously and directly proportional to the purity of the power source signal. CPUs will run faster and cooler, they will last longer, and the overall user experience will therefore be a better one.

    You may also know (and may have read on our forum), that some of these "dirty" power issues can manifest as problems on the phone by causing so-called "ghost-typing", where while the power adapter is plugged into the phone the digitizer has difficulty recognizing exactly where your fingers are touching the screen. This can cause it touch or select other areas of the screen that are no-where near your finger, seemingly as if there is another person or "ghost" touching the screen at the same time. In some cases this "ghost-typing" can be so bad that the phone will - even without touching a tall and completely on its own make phone calls or texts to numbers in your contacts list, or to random numbers, will select apps and run them, close windows, change settings, take photographs, etc. Once the offending power adapter is disconnected, the phone functions completely normal again.

    Furthermore, if there's one soapbox I get on often, it's proper care and charging of Lithium Ion Polymer Pouch type batteries (the types used in most phones of today). These batteries are very picky - to use a common descriptor, with respect to how they are charged (at what percentage of capacity or discharge charging is started), at what rate the are charged (mAh, i.e. 750mAh, 1.1mAh, or 2.1mAh, etc.), how much they are charged (percentage of rated capacity, or maximum voltage levels), and how much they are discharged (minimum voltage level). They are very volatile chemistry and if not charged in the ranges as specified by the manufacturer of the phone when they specify the chemistry to meet certain needs, the results can be anything from poor performance, to shorter total lifespan, to complete failure to respond to a charger, to self-destruction and explosion/extremely high temperature fire.

    I've opened dozens of charger modules, those from the big named cellular phone manufacturers, those from the big named phone accessory manufacturers, and those of the cheapo Chinese knock-off companies, the $5 chargers. To compare them is similar to comparing a BMW 5 series to a go-cart. Both will get you there (eventually), both burn fossil fuels, and both have a seat and 4 wheels, a steering wheel and a motor. The quality and perhaps even more importantly safety of the trip and likelihood you arrive in one piece in one versus the other are unfortunately incomparable. The number of components, quality of those components and engineering which comprise two are beyond compare.

    I will post some photos when I get a chance, but safe to say the OEM chargers have not just some, but LOTS of components, usually several MSIC (Medium-Scale Integrated Circuit) chips, quality filtering components and are engineered to provide the cleanest, smoothest possible power. The cheapo's have just a very few components and very little filtering of any kind. To give you another real-world comparison...think of the OEM charger as a brand-new paved Asphalt road, versus one that is 15-20 years old, full of potholes, patches, repairs to the piping underneath, etc. Again, both will get you there, but one is a much more comfortable ride and will not produce wear and tear on the car, whereas the other may cause you a blow-out or at least to need an alignment, both your back's and the car's.
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