Finally! This Iphone thing is over!!!

[Droidfish]

All I want is for more products to support devices other than the iphone/ipod. There are so many peripheral products out there that integrate with the iphone/ipod so seamlessly. That's where I can agree with the OP in that the days of every speaker dock and car stereo being built with only apple products in mind are definitely numbered.

This is not a bash on apple either because I happen to love my ipod and have about four between my wife and daughter. I also love my droid and wish I didn't have to search so hard to find peripheral products that support my devices features.

 

[Section Twelve]

Android is taking market share from iOS while retaining the vast majority of its own market share (moreso than apple, from what I've seen). The iPhone will fade into the background if Mr. Jobs doesn't stop suppressing features.

Thank you.

This is what I was hinting at earlier in the thread.

 

[Section Twelve]

The iPhone if/when it comes to VZW will effect Android sales some but not as great as one would think. The largest sales/influx of iPhones on VZW will be people with iPhones jumping ship from AT&T to VZW for better network coverage. Not to mention that the iPhone is already a generation behind current Android handsets in terms of hardware. When the new Android phones sporting the Tegra 2 250 and other Cortex A9 dual core SoC's start hitting the market late this year/early next year the gap will be widened even further. Assuming that Apple will continue it's incremental upgrades as it has with the iPhone/3G/3GS/4 than when the new iPhone is released it will once again be behind the curve in terms of hardware/performance. Couple this with the impending release of Gingerbread this year and Honeycomb next year and iOS4 will look just as stale as the hardware it is running on.

Apple made a mistake with dropping the PPC in its' Mac line and going x86. They bought an ARM design company and are hoping to redeem themselves in mobile computing with the A4 and future SoC's they will design and use because they know as well as most others that this is the future of computing. What they need to do is produce a phone, tablet, etc... that has ALL the bells and whistles when it is released and not leave people wanting more especially when seeing what the competition, read Android, is offering. Until they do that Apple will continue to fall out of favor with the consumer abroad.

Quality post here.

 

[abe7333]

Its not coming anytime soon. The verizon ceo said that they are doing great with android and are not really that exited to get the iphone. I am just saying that the more good os in the market, the better for us. As from the report I saw the market can hold upto 5 mobile os.

I've heard everything from "it's a done deal" to "it's never going to happen". Statement made by CEOs in the press amount to little more than posturing. Either way, I'll believe it when it's officially announced. To your latter point, I agree totally. The more options we have as consumers, the better. As we can plainly see in the Android world, the more competition the better.

I still think that version likes the droid motto. Plus iphone might have sold a lot but still the design was a failure. Its ios that's selling the most, that is ipod touch.
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[abe7333]

The only single carrier iPhone is here in the U.S. in Europe MANY carriers have the iPhone as well as Asia. Guess what? Android is growing, actually eclipsing the iPhone, globally. Remember the U.S. does NOT equal the world, particularly a world where Android is growing by leaps and bounds. So next time you try and use the single carrier argument remember we're not the only ones on this blue marble.

Again, when you say Android is growing by leaps and bounds, while iPhone isn't... what else would you expect? By and large, Apple had a saturated market, while Android didn't exist a year ago. It's like me saying I just built a phone in my basement and sold it to my brother. Therefore, my sales are up 100% for the month of October while Android has only experienced 8% growth. All this data needs to be looked at in a historical context. And again, I never said Android would dry up and disappear if VZW got an iPhone, only that it would impact Android sales adversely.

As for the U.S. vs. international markets, I was merely looking at it within the context it's typically discussed on these forums.

The iPhone if/when it comes to VZW will effect Android sales some but not as great as one would think. The largest sales/influx of iPhones on VZW will be people with iPhones jumping ship from AT&T to VZW for better network coverage. Not to mention that the iPhone is already a generation behind current Android handsets in terms of hardware. When the new Android phones sporting the Tegra 2 250 and other Cortex A9 dual core SoC's start hitting the market late this year/early next year the gap will be widened even further. Assuming that Apple will continue it's incremental upgrades as it has with the iPhone/3G/3GS/4 than when the new iPhone is released it will once again be behind the curve in terms of hardware/performance. Couple this with the impending release of Gingerbread this year and Honeycomb next year and iOS4 will look just as stale as the hardware it is running on.

Apple made a mistake with dropping the PPC in its' Mac line and going x86. They bought an ARM design company and are hoping to redeem themselves in mobile computing with the A4 and future SoC's they will design and use because they know as well as most others that this is the future of computing. What they need to do is produce a phone, tablet, etc... that has ALL the bells and whistles when it is released and not leave people wanting more especially when seeing what the competition, read Android, is offering. Until they do that Apple will continue to fall out of favor with the consumer abroad.

I agree completely

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[abe7333]

I didn't bother reading this whole thread, but anybody who thinks the iphone is "dieing" is nuts.

I have a DroidX & I love it & you couldn't give me an iphone. I do IT work at a huge car dealer however & they recently gave away three ipads, four ipod touches & a Nano as sales spiffs.

I was out running errands for some networking anyway, so I volunteered to stop at our local Apple store & pick the stuff up. I got there at 9:15 on a Tuesday morning figuring I would be the only one there. Yea, right. They didn't open until 9:30 & there where already 14 people in line waiting to get in the door.

I started BSing with people in line & they where all there for something iphone related...

~John

Lol but a company can stay in dominance for a while. It does not matter who is dieing or living. Its better for the customers.
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[GThree]

IMO, the reason why the iPhone sells so much is because it's a simple OS, and because it owned life when it came out. Now over time, it just seems not so innovated. Cool, you have a front camera. I could care less. lol Most of the TECH guys that are around are switching to the Android OS. It obviously offers the freedom we tech guys love. Verizon had nothing a little while ago, and now Verizon has a legit smart phone that competes with iPhone. If Verizon didn't start getting the Droid phones, and kept Blackberry, we'd be screwed. I belive over time Android will take over the more tech side and if iPhone doesn't become more a freedom phone, it will only be a family type phone. It'll still be badass for the most part, but Droid > iPhone.

 

[abe7333]

IMO, the reason why the iPhone sells so much is because it's a simple OS, and because it owned life when it came out. Now over time, it just seems not so innovated. Cool, you have a front camera. I could care less. lol Most of the TECH guys that are around are switching to the Android OS. It obviously offers the freedom we tech guys love. Verizon had nothing a little while ago, and now Verizon has a legit smart phone that competes with iPhone. If Verizon didn't start getting the Droid phones, and kept Blackberry, we'd be screwed. I belive over time Android will take over the more tech side and if iPhone doesn't become more a freedom phone, it will only be a family type phone. It'll still be badass for the most part, but Droid > iPhone.

Nice. To the point. I think eventually both os are going to be at the same level and its going to be matter of content. Better phones and content like games and stuff. I heard that ios is threatened by android openness and is going to get more open...
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[JohnnyD359]

You couldnt give me a phone that I cannot carry a charged spare battery for...I know many who feel the same way....whoever designed the Iphone had there head up there rectum thinking an internal battery is acceptable...especially with a smart phone that could drain the battery in as little as 3-5 hrs of heavy use...

 

[johall07]

they are also starting to come out with cheaper android phones that still do pretty much everything the iphone can do for less $$....not so good for apple

 

[Lloyd76Mongol]

List of best-selling mobile phones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nokia has several phones that have outsold all iphones combined from the looks of it.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

List of best-selling mobile phones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nokia has several phones that have outsold all iphones combined from the looks of it.

that is of all time. iPhone has only been out for a few years. The top spots are taken up by nokia phones that at the time were really some of the only phones on the market. Not really a good judge.

 

[Section Twelve]

that is of all time. iPhone has only been out for a few years. The top spots are taken up by nokia phones that at the time were really some of the only phones on the market. Not really a good judge.

You are spinning that wrong.

Nokia 5230 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Released in 2009, 296 million units have been sold.

So, the Nokia 5230 has been out for LESS time than all of the iPhones combined and more units have been sold.

 

[DaddyRabbit]

You couldnt give me a phone that I cannot carry a charged spare battery for...I know many who feel the same way....whoever designed the Iphone had there head up there rectum thinking an internal battery is acceptable...especially with a smart phone that could drain the battery in as little as 3-5 hrs of heavy use...

The proverbial "nail on the head". While most of the discussion has been about Android vs. iOS the hardware definitely comes into play. While Apple has released 4 versions of the iPhone, how many different Android powered phones are there (just between HTC and Moto to limit it)? Some of them are great and some of them suck.

I could care less about the OS in a smart phone as long as the phone does what I need to do with minimal hassle. Both phones (DX and iPhone) have issues (I would REALLY like to NOT have to spend $40 to sync my Outlook via USB!).

That said I would never buy an i"device" for a couple of reasons,

1) No user replacable battery. C'mon this is a no brainer especially in a smart phone.

2) No user expandable memory, while there are 4 versions of the iPhone most of the i"device" releases actually have several versions (based upon connectivity and memory options). So I can buy an iPad with 3g or without in several memory configurations (then spend more money and tote a dongle for USB connectivity) or I can buy a device for less money with built in USB and can put in a larger SD card or swap cards at will, IMHO this is where Apple fails.

With my DX none of the above is an issue. I could care less which OS it runs, if the phone is difficult to use or doesn't meet my needs it won't be in my pocket.

If iPhone comes to VZ there will be a huge spike in sales no doubt but I don't think it will sustain. However Android is suffering from fragmentation and allowing the carriers to control the OS too much. Microsoft may suprise us all in the end and don't count RIM out of the picture as of yet

In the end the hardware and OS integration will define market share.

 

[GeneralZod]

2) No user expandable memory, while there are 4 versions of the iPhone most of the i"device" releases actually have several versions (based upon connectivity and memory options).

Is buying a 32GB iPhone any different than buying a Droid X whose memory expansion is limited? Or am I incorrect, and can you expand a DX as high as the size of RAM permits?

In the end the hardware and OS integration will define market share.

True. And to be fair, it's hard to see where Apple, who has complete control of both, won't have an advantage.

The other thing Apple exerts more control over, is the user experience. If someone buys an iPhone 5 and it sucks, it's all on Apple. If someone buys an Android device and it sucks, it's not all on Google. That said, Google will always enjoy the advantage that an open system platform brings. Regardless, as a consumer, I want the option of buying either.