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battery life fix

Seriously?

Hey everyone. I'm new to these forums and found it by searching on information on the Eris. After reading through the comments. I think we all have to step back and look at this from outside the box. Why should anyone here have to change their normal usage patterns just to get or even maybe get a decent battery life. The fault lays squarely with HTC/Google. We shouldn't have to shell out for a extended battery. If anything, they should provide one for free for all the trouble. They also need to be more forthcoming about the upcoming bug fixes if they will resolve these battery issues.
 
Some people say "drain your battery". Some say its dangerous.
Here is an official word on the topic.

From the Motorolla Website Tips and Tricks PDF:

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Train your battery
Train the battery by fully charging it and draining the
battery until it shuts off.
1 With the device turned off, fully charge the
battery until the LED no longer flashes and
remains on.
2 Let the battery charge for an additional TWO
hours.
3 Repeat the process again (perform twice in a
row) and you should experience improved
battery life.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 
Some people say "drain your battery". Some say its dangerous.
Here is an official word on the topic.

From the Motorolla Website Tips and Tricks PDF:

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Train your battery
Train the battery by fully charging it and draining the
battery until it shuts off.
1 With the device turned off, fully charge the
battery until the LED no longer flashes and
remains on.
2 Let the battery charge for an additional TWO
hours.
3 Repeat the process again (perform twice in a
row) and you should experience improved
battery life.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
That is a good rule of thumb. However, most if not all manufacturers have that advice and most of the time it doesn't do much if anything which brings people back to square one.
 
Hey everyone. I'm new to these forums and found it by searching on information on the Eris. After reading through the comments. I think we all have to step back and look at this from outside the box. Why should anyone here have to change their normal usage patterns just to get or even maybe get a decent battery life. The fault lays squarely with HTC/Google. We shouldn't have to shell out for a extended battery. If anything, they should provide one for free for all the trouble. They also need to be more forthcoming about the upcoming bug fixes if they will resolve these battery issues.

I have not changed MY normal usage patterns, but i am careful what i leave running in the background. The Eris battery does seem to get better with time. After 8 days of owning my Eris, i'm getting about twice the battery life over day one.
 
Battery Life

Battery Life is a major problem for a lot of people. I think it comes in 4 different packages:

1: Battery : Do you drain the battery to zero or never let it drain down

completely ? I do not know the definitive answer. It depends

on who you believe and personal experience. I have not tried to

drain the battery yet.

2. Charger : Many people who have bought after market chargers have had

interesting experiences from auto phone calls and emails made in

sleep time to discharging while plugged in etc. I have several

after market chargers, some work and some do not.

3. Killer Apps : I believe they are helpful although they also drain battery.

Some people feel that the LINUX system auto shuts down

unused programs. I am not sure.

I think TasKiller and Adv Task Killer work but use more battery.

I personally use Adv Task Manager and find it works well for me

4. Usage : Of course the biggest drain is usage. Any battery no matter how

good will drain with heavy usage. i.e. game playing, listening to

music, gps, bluetooth, wifi etc. The main drain is how long is the

screen on.

Conclusions: 1. Battery: defective ? Replace. Drain or not drain ???

2. Charger: defective ? Dispose

3. Killer apps: Do you need them ? I like Adv Task Management

4. Usage: Review usage in Settings/ App - Spare Parts

Modify especially in areas of low coverage. A lot of

the programs kick in automatically and if your

coverage is not good it continues to search and

uses battery. That is what the Killer apps do.

Let me know if there other thoughts on the matter.
 
I have had my Eris for less than a week but immediately did the battery conditioning the first few days I had it and downloaded spare parts to see more about what was going on. So far it seems to me that battery life depends on what is running and what it is doing. Having locale checking GPS every 10 minutes and active Sync checking/downloading email every 15 minutes would kill the battery pretty quickly. Right now I am not using locale and I have my email set to update manually (whenever I feel like checking it). Even with GPS, 3G and wireless running I am only down to 82% after 7 hours. Moving forward I am going to try enabling certain services to get the most functionality while trying to maintain a usable 12-15 hours between charges. personally I have no problem if it needs to charge every night. The Moto Q I had previously needed to do that anyway with only a fraction of the functionality I get from the Eris.
 
Drain battery

Some people say "drain your battery". Some say its dangerous.
Here is an official word on the topic.

From the Motorolla Website Tips and Tricks PDF:

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Train your battery
Train the battery by fully charging it and draining the
battery until it shuts off.
1 With the device turned off, fully charge the
battery until the LED no longer flashes and
remains on.
2 Let the battery charge for an additional TWO
hours.
3 Repeat the process again (perform twice in a
row) and you should experience improved
battery life.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
That is a good rule of thumb. However, most if not all manufacturers have that advice and most of the time it doesn't do much if anything which brings people back to square one.

But this advice is consistent with the observation, and it is mine as well, that the battery life goes up with use.

A separate question. Some people like Task Manager and Task Killer
and some say they cause problems. What about killing programs using
the software on the phone:
Settings -> Applications -> Manage applications ->
press on application name -> press on force stop.
The problem is, on my phone, pressing on "force stop" seems to have
no effect.
 
Lithium ion vs. Ni-Cad battery - Drain or NOT to drain ???

I understand there is a lot of confusion about the advantages of draining the

DROID battery to get maximum performance. Personal anecdotal experience

is important but I think we must investigate the facts before advising others.

Please consider the following information which I lifted from another post:


WTF, below is info pasted from wikipedia, it appears the excessive heat that the droid sometimes produces may be causing the battery to age rapidly. Of major interest is the explanation of the self discharge actually being permanent loss of capacity!
Lithium-ion batteries do not suffer from the memory effect. They also have a self-discharge rate of approximately 5-10% per month, compared with over 30% per month in common nickel metal hydride batteries, approx. 1.25% per month for Low Self-Discharge NiMH batteries and 10% per month in nickel-cadmium batteries.[31] According to one manufacturer, Li-ion cells (and, accordingly, "dumb" Li-ion batteries) do not have any self-discharge in the usual meaning of this word.[21] What looks like a self-discharge in these batteries is a permanent loss of capacity (see below). On the other hand, "smart" Li-ion batteries do self-discharge, mainly due to the small constant drain of the built-in voltage monitoring circuit.
[edit] Disadvantages of traditional Li-ion technology

[edit] Shelf life
A disadvantage of lithium-ion cells lies in their relatively poor cycle life: upon every (re)charge, deposits form inside the electrolyte that inhibit lithium ion transport, resulting in the capacity of the cell to diminish. The increase in internal resistance affects the cell's ability to deliver current, thus the problem is more pronounced in high-current than low-current applications. The increasing capacity hit means that a full charge in an older battery will not last as long as one in a new battery (although the charging time required decreases proportionally, as well).
Also, high charge levels and elevated temperatures (whether resulting from charging or being ambient) hasten permanent capacity loss for lithium-ion batteries.[32][33] The heat generated during a charge cycle is caused by the traditional carbon anode, which has been replaced with good results by lithium titanate. Lithium titanate has been experimentally shown to drastically reduce the degenerative effects associated with charging, including expansion and other factors.[34] See "Improvements of lithium-ion technology" below.
At a 100% charge level, a typical Li-ion laptop battery that is full most of the time at 25 °C or 77 °F will irreversibly lose approximately 20% capacity per year. However, a battery in a poorly ventilated laptop may be subject to a prolonged exposure to much higher temperatures, which will significantly shorten its life. Different storage temperatures produce different loss results: 6% loss at 0 °C (32 °F), 20% at 25 °C (77 °F), and 35% at 40 °C (104 °F). When stored at 40%–60% charge level, the capacity loss is reduced to 2%, 4%, 15% at 0, 25 and 40 degrees Celsius respectively.[35][citation needed]
Lithium-ion batteries should never be depleted below their minimum voltage (2.4 to 2.8 V/cell, depending on chemistry). If a lithium-ion battery is stored with too low a charge, there is a risk that the charge will drop below the low-voltage threshold, resulting in an unrecoverable dead battery.[citation needed] Usually this does not instantly damage the battery itself but a charger or device which uses that battery will refuse to charge a dead battery. The battery appears to be dead or not existent because the protection circuit disables further discharging and there is zero voltage on the battery terminals.
Lithium-ion batteries should be kept cool. Ideally they are stored in a refrigerator.[citation needed]
Aging will take its toll much faster at high temperatures.[38]



:motdroidvert: I think the problem of poor battery performance is directly

related to cell phone coverage when the phone is looking for coverage for all

the programs that are running i.e.wifi, bluetooth, gps and sometimes turning

the screen on for periods of time. Check battery usage with the app -

'Spare Parts' and use something like 'Adv Task Manager' to help shut down

some running programs and turn off wifi etc, if not using.
 
Good info jltung. I think we all need to step outside the box for just a moment and realize that we all shouldn't even have to worry about such things. I have used or am currently using the Storm 2. I was using the iPhone 3GS. The batteries were very decent in those devices especially the Storm 2. I didn't have any complaints...well, I did with the iPhone at first but firmware updates fixed battery issues.

Anyway, there is something definitely wrong and that being that HTC was really skimpy with the battery. If you design a device with said capabilities, we should then be able to use it accordingly without having to worry about having to plug it in to a charger so soon.

HTC needs to come out with a VERY GOOD extended battery or a even better standard battery and maybe considering all the people complaining about the battery life, give us a free one or at least discount it with proof of purchase.
 
cell phone coverage AND battery drain

Yesterday I was at the health club locker room and I looked at my coverage.

It was very poor, about one bar.

Could still call out but all the programs were running trying to find me.

(Huge battery drain.) :icon_evil:

Another member had 3gs coverage on his iPhone.

I had 3G coverage as soon as I went upstairs.

Conclusion : I suspect the droid does not have a very good individual antenna which gives less than 3G coverage where it should get 3G
 
Yesterday I was at the health club locker room and I looked at my coverage.

It was very poor, about one bar.

Could still call out but all the programs were running trying to find me.

(Huge battery drain.) :icon_evil:

Another member had 3gs coverage on his iPhone.

I had 3G coverage as soon as I went upstairs.

Conclusion : I suspect the droid does not have a very good individual antenna which gives less than 3G coverage where it should get 3G
Well, there was an update coming that was suppose to fix the signal issue. I know it was for the HTC but I'm not sure if it included the MOTO as well.
 
cell phone coverage AND battery drain

I just read in another post that there is going to be a major upgrade to the software which will address a lot of the problems that we are having with batteries draining, cell phone coverage etc. on Dec 11.

Can not wait !!!
 
droid update

I read it off a post on android forums.

No details, just the date Dec 11.
 
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I just picked up my Eris this past Sunday, and was told by the salesperson that several customers were complaining about the battery. She suggested the BB Storm 2, because reportedly, it has better battery life, (and was more expensive, or course.) But it just felt clunky to me, and there were many things I preferred about the Eris. Anyway, after fully charging the phone and with all the default settings, I was able to get 2.5 days out of it before completely draining the battery. I made some calls, did some e-mails and texts, and checked some things on the web. By default, lots of things were already turned off on mine (WiFi, BlueTooth, GPS satellites, etc). I didn't have much of anything running. The only app I've downloaded was a scientific calculator. E-mail checking was every 15 min, by default. Phone went to sleep in 30 sec, if I recall correctly. Anyway...I was prepared to have to bring it back, but I don't think I'm going to need to. It's been fine. I've since turned down the screen brightness, and reduced the frequency of e-mail checking to once per hour, so I expect even better performance from here. BTW, here is the report on when the upgrades are supposed to come: HTC Droid Eris OTA Update Coming Too | Android Phone Fans
 
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