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Android 2.2 - Froyo

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Here's the simple answer to all of this confusion. I know people don't want to hear it but it is the simple truth. Older devices have ONE choice and one choice only, root if possible and install a custom 2.2 ROM. Newer phones that can be rooted or are rooted will have that same option. Those phones without root, Incredible and EVO 4G as examples, are pretty much screwed and at the mercy of HTC+Carrier.

As for AT&T, LOL! They don't know their ass from the elbow. Not only will any Android that is subsidized by AT&T be crippled and locked down to no end. With the impending release of the iPhone 4G they wouldn't dare piss off Uncle Steve at such a critical moment in time. Maybe, just maybe late this year or early next year AT&T will release some good Android phones but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Buddy, I know YOU don't want to hear it, but here's the simple truth. Most users can neither afford nor have any desire to spend their lives dealing with the details of custom roms for their phones. Nor do they want to put their phones on a custom development/update path that requires constant vigilance in terms bugs, enhancements, etc.

For those who can treat their phones as a hobby, your advice is well taken. For those who actually use their phone as means to an end rather than an end in itself, many of whom are the "adults" noted earlier in this thread, rooting and customizing is avoided not because it's technically difficult but because they need the assurance that major corporate support for their tools provides.
 
Here's the simple answer to all of this confusion. I know people don't want to hear it but it is the simple truth. Older devices have ONE choice and one choice only, root if possible and install a custom 2.2 ROM. Newer phones that can be rooted or are rooted will have that same option. Those phones without root, Incredible and EVO 4G as examples, are pretty much screwed and at the mercy of HTC+Carrier.

As for AT&T, LOL! They don't know their ass from the elbow. Not only will any Android that is subsidized by AT&T be crippled and locked down to no end. With the impending release of the iPhone 4G they wouldn't dare piss off Uncle Steve at such a critical moment in time. Maybe, just maybe late this year or early next year AT&T will release some good Android phones but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Buddy, I know YOU don't want to hear it, but here's the simple truth. Most users can neither afford nor have any desire to spend their lives dealing with the details of custom roms for their phones. Nor do they want to put their phones on a custom development/update path that requires constant vigilance in terms bugs, enhancements, etc.

For those who can treat their phones as a hobby, your advice is well taken. For those who actually use their phone as means to an end rather than an end in itself, many of whom are the "adults" noted earlier in this thread, rooting and customizing is avoided not because it's technically difficult but because they need the assurance that major corporate support for their tools provides.

Whether or not users cannot afford to or have no desire to root their devices is null and moot. Whether they are adults is null and moot, seeing that I am a father of 3, oldest being 16 years old and youngest being 10, so I am adult enough. Regardless of whatever reason or for that matter excuse you wish to present. The ONLY way 2.2 is going to show up on older devices is by rooting the device and installing a custom ROM. If for whatever reason an individual chooses not to do that is a personal one and has no bearing on that fact that it is the only way it is ending up on their G1, Hero, MyTouch, etc...

The only other option they have would be to purchase a new phone that either has 2.2 installed or one that is currently running 2.1 and is known to be getting an official 2.2 update. Plain and simple.
 
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Whether or not users cannot afford to or have no desire to root their devices is null and moot. Whether they are adults is null and moot, seeing that I am a father of 3, oldest being 16 years old and youngest being 10, so I am adult enough. Regardless of whatever reason or for that matter excuse you wish to present. The ONLY way 2.2 is going to show up on older devices is by rooting the device and installing a custom ROM. If for whatever reason an individual chooses not to do that is a personal one and has no bearing on that fact that it is the only way it is ending up on their G1, Hero, MyTouch, etc...

The only other option they have would be to purchase a new phone that either has 2.2 installed or one that is currently running 2.1 and is known to be getting an official 2.2 update. Plain and simple.

Kids have been having kids for years, so that's nothing new. Some people, be they adults or not are happy with their NO-BUG, no meltdown because of O'C'ing, and with the 2.2 realease, a stock moto-Droid will be as fast, if not faster than a rooted 2.1. So, as soon as eveeryone reverts to 2.01, goes through all it takes to get up to speed with 2.2, all the buggy apps are cleaned up, Google might be ready for "THREE".....

BTW....ever see (young and old) people driving 'vintage' cars? Think its a choice?

Hey-I do go online, facilitate email, talk, IM and soon as I get a better grip, Wave, etc. My Droid goes ass fast as I need it to. No lag, NEVER a FC, and I get 28 hours on a stock battery.

I want to root WHY? With LauncherPro, soon there will be more themes, icon sets......and a smooth system that likes to play together.

To each his/her/its/ own.

fish
 
allow me to point out a couple key things that people are either missing or forgetting;

2. devices that are slated to come out have been going through months and months of testing. just because a software update is available, doesn't mean any of the meanufacturers really care. the incredible/evo is being released with 2.1. 2.2 support will come when HTC releases it (most likely). google has already offered its partners/subscribers information on steps to take in order to provide the upgrade to their devices. ultimately, google has no responsibility in making sure the rest of the market stays current.

3. the rumored june release date does NOT mean june 1. a few people have said that june is only a few days away, which adds to the excitement, but only the excitement of knowing the month has arrived. without a solid release schedule, all dates are speculation and there's no guarantee as to when anyone will see any sort of update.

It will be interesting to see the how the combination of manufacturers and carriers for the various existing devices impacts the release of 2.2. This is the first time, I believe, that a good sample of top tier devices from various sources are all at the same (2.1) release level.

() Nexus1: Release schedule directly controlled by Google with, I presume, input from T-Mobile. Pure Google UI.

() EVO 4G: Manufactured by HTC. Carried by Sprint. HTC Sense UI

() Hero: Manufactured by HTC. Carried by Sprint. HTC Sense UI

() Incredible: Manufactured by HTC. Carried by Verizon. HTC Sense UI

() Droid: Manufactured by Motorola. Carried by Verizon. Google UI.


The combinations present some interesting engineering and marketing challenges for the various vendors.

It seems pretty likely that the N1 will be first at the party. T-Mobile has no reason to hold up the update and neither does Google. And the N1 definitely needs a kickstart after the disastrous internet-only marketing approach from Google.

Sprint faces a major dilemma, I think. Updating the EVO 4G so soon after its introduction, especially with its many tweaks that might be impacted by 2.2 and the refined Sense UI is likely to introduce consumer confusion in trying to sell a new device.

Furthermore, Sprint's Hero is just now getting 2.1. Will Sprint leave it in the dust again? Even if they could do so, I doubt Sprint will release an update for the Hero before they do so for their new flagship EVO 4G.

Verizon has a similar problem. Their new flagship, the Incredible, has the Sense UI to deal with. But are they likely to update the Droid ahead of the DInc? Some web blogs have suggested so, but I'm highly skeptical. The DInc's sales are already limited by supply problems rather than weak demand. Do they really want to update the Droid (which is being almost given away by various retailers) before the Incredible? I don't think so.

And what about the rumored new Motorola phones for Verizon? They seem to be near ready for release in late summer/early fall. But they also (I suspect) have the Motoblur extensions that must be integrated with 2.2. Will Verizon release a Droid2 (or something similar) without a Froyo level o/s? I doubt it.

And then there's AT&T. They're just putting their toe into the Android pool. The FroYo update gives them a chance to jump in with new hot devices at the leading edge. But will they do so at the same time that they're anticipating the release of the iPhone 4gen? How would that impact their relationship with Apple?

Finally, what about all those devices from various carriers that are stuck back at 1.5 or 1.6? Seems unlikely that any carrier would update them to a release level older than 2.2. What's the point? But will any vendor leapfrog an older device running, say, 1.6 to 2.2 ahead of their flagship products?

All in all, the combination of Sense and Motoblur UI extensions and the potential to cannibalize sales for existing and new models presents each carrier with some difficult choices in terms of release dates.
there's one major flaw in your observation; google worked exclusively with motorola (first) and HTC (second) to design a google experience phone. all other devices that have come out since, haven't had the same level of interaction from Google.

Google announced before the I/O that the newest update will be concentrated to DROID/N1 first. these are both Google's flagship "experience" devices, regardless of carrier.

Try looking at the picture from a global scale. Which of those newer CDMA handsets are available in any other country other than the US? The EVO/Incredible are N1 replacements. HTC most likely brokered soem sort of deal through exclusive licensing with each carrier in order to sell these products. It's something they're very well known for.

In my mind, the most likely scenario will be, HTC will get the update for the N1 and then retrofit it to work with the EVO/Incredible so as not to eliminate the Sense UI from the mix.

I don't know where this discussion of older handsets came into play, but this is technology. Manufacturers have NO obligation to provide latest software to these devices. The only thing they could be possibly be held accountable for are security updates. If you have a pre-DROID phone, you might as well start phone shopping.
 
...The ONLY way 2.2 is going to show up on older devices is by rooting the device and installing a custom ROM....

The only other option they have would be to purchase a new phone that either has 2.2 installed or one that is currently running 2.1 and is known to be getting an official 2.2 update. Plain and simple.

Well, there's clearly no evidence to support that. The Droid Eris, for example, has recently been updated to 2.1 from 1.6 (or 1.5), skipping both 2.0 and 2.0.1. And that's for a phone that is not only "older," but discontinued.
 
The timing will be the interesting thing to me. Google has a nack for timing things just right in concordance with taking news and/or hype away from Apple (or others).

As for AT&T, I don't think they have to worry too much about this taking away from the release of the new iPhone. The iPhone is so entrenched in AT&T users' heads (whether they own one or not) that they'll either buy one if they want it or they won't, regardless of what else is out there. Android is making huge headway, but the iPhone is still the one you'll hear more about on Good Morning America. If anything, Android on AT&T will just help provide more good options for those that don't already have an iPhone or who were thinking about it but knew they couldn't afford it.

My hope with Motorola/Verizon - and the key word there is hope - is that they'll learn from the 2.1 debacle and make sure 2.2 comes out smoother and more in line with initial expectations.
 
The timing will be the interesting thing to me. Google has a nack for timing things just right in concordance with taking news and/or hype away from Apple (or others).

As for AT&T, I don't think they have to worry too much about this taking away from the release of the new iPhone. The iPhone is so entrenched in AT&T users' heads (whether they own one or not) that they'll either buy one if they want it or they won't, regardless of what else is out there. Android is making huge headway, but the iPhone is still the one you'll hear more about on Good Morning America. If anything, Android on AT&T will just help provide more good options for those that don't already have an iPhone or who were thinking about it but knew they couldn't afford it.

My hope with Motorola/Verizon - and the key word there is hope - is that they'll learn from the 2.1 debacle and make sure 2.2 comes out smoother and more in line with initial expectations.

great theory. google could in fact be waiting for iphone 4g to be announced before they release 2.2 (for max. market exposure and to "1-up" apple). however this theory is a bit flawed IMO... to the average consumer, the 2.2 update is minor... even Google references it as a "minor" upgrade on the sdk webpage. just my 0.02
 
Whether or not users cannot afford to or have no desire to root their devices is null and moot. Whether they are adults is null and moot, seeing that I am a father of 3, oldest being 16 years old and youngest being 10, so I am adult enough. Regardless of whatever reason or for that matter excuse you wish to present. The ONLY way 2.2 is going to show up on older devices is by rooting the device and installing a custom ROM. If for whatever reason an individual chooses not to do that is a personal one and has no bearing on that fact that it is the only way it is ending up on their G1, Hero, MyTouch, etc...

The only other option they have would be to purchase a new phone that either has 2.2 installed or one that is currently running 2.1 and is known to be getting an official 2.2 update. Plain and simple.

Kids have been having kids for years, so that's nothing new. Some people, be they adults or not are happy with their NO-BUG, no meltdown because of O'C'ing, and with the 2.2 realease, a stock moto-Droid will be as fast, if not faster than a rooted 2.1. So, as soon as eveeryone reverts to 2.01, goes through all it takes to get up to speed with 2.2, all the buggy apps are cleaned up, Google might be ready for "THREE".....

BTW....ever see (young and old) people driving 'vintage' cars? Think its a choice?

Hey-I do go online, facilitate email, talk, IM and soon as I get a better grip, Wave, etc. My Droid goes ass fast as I need it to. No lag, NEVER a FC, and I get 28 hours on a stock battery.

I want to root WHY? With LauncherPro, soon there will be more themes, icon sets......and a smooth system that likes to play together.

To each his/her/its/ own.

fish

I think you misunderstood what I am saying. That is simply those devices that are known to be getting 2.2 will be fine. The user will have their stock device. Those devices that would more or less be considered legacy devices will not be getting 2.2. The only way they will be able to run the latest and greatest is to either root the device, if possible, and install a custom 2.2 ROM. The other option would be to buy a phone with 2.1 knowing it will be updated to 2.2 or wait for a device that has 2.2 pre-installed.

I don't care what choice is made. I am stating that there is no gray area here. If your phone is old(er) you will more likely than not have to root it to get 2.2. If your phone is newer you will most likely get an official 2.2 released. As for those with custom UIs like Sense, MotoBlur, etc... yes you will get 2.2 but chances are it will take much longer than those running vanilla Android like the Nexus or Droid. Then again other than the Nexus everyone is also at the mercy of their carrier as well so who knows how soon we'll receive it.
 
The timing will be the interesting thing to me. Google has a nack for timing things just right in concordance with taking news and/or hype away from Apple (or others).

As for AT&T, I don't think they have to worry too much about this taking away from the release of the new iPhone. The iPhone is so entrenched in AT&T users' heads (whether they own one or not) that they'll either buy one if they want it or they won't, regardless of what else is out there. Android is making huge headway, but the iPhone is still the one you'll hear more about on Good Morning America. If anything, Android on AT&T will just help provide more good options for those that don't already have an iPhone or who were thinking about it but knew they couldn't afford it.

My hope with Motorola/Verizon - and the key word there is hope - is that they'll learn from the 2.1 debacle and make sure 2.2 comes out smoother and more in line with initial expectations.
i don't know why people keep calling the 2.1 update a "debacle". motorola and verizon both decided that the 2.1 update was not ready for the DROID in primetime. the only problem they had was prematurely releasing an anticipated timeline.

and guess what? you haven't seen another one since.

the 2.1 release was well received. it did take a few weeks longer than planned, but it was all in the name of good.
 
if verizon does charge for a new data plan how much could it really cost i mean if they want to stay close to sprints prices?

No worries on a new data plan. You are already in a contract..... i believe the features will be at no charge just to keep the people happy
 
The timing will be the interesting thing to me. Google has a nack for timing things just right in concordance with taking news and/or hype away from Apple (or others).

As for AT&T, I don't think they have to worry too much about this taking away from the release of the new iPhone. The iPhone is so entrenched in AT&T users' heads (whether they own one or not) that they'll either buy one if they want it or they won't, regardless of what else is out there. Android is making huge headway, but the iPhone is still the one you'll hear more about on Good Morning America. If anything, Android on AT&T will just help provide more good options for those that don't already have an iPhone or who were thinking about it but knew they couldn't afford it.

My hope with Motorola/Verizon - and the key word there is hope - is that they'll learn from the 2.1 debacle and make sure 2.2 comes out smoother and more in line with initial expectations.

great theory. google could in fact be waiting for iphone 4g to be announced before they release 2.2 (for max. market exposure and to "1-up" apple). however this theory is a bit flawed IMO... to the average consumer, the 2.2 update is minor... even Google references it as a "minor" upgrade on the sdk webpage. just my 0.02
meh. 2.2 does not a new device make. verizon and sprint's new 4G lineups will help aide google in keeping their market share.

iphone fanbois can't be stopped. google needs to keep doing what they're doing. they'll prove their worth soon enough.
 
@640 - I completely agree - "debacle" is too strong of a word, but I couldn't edit my post after I submitted. I'm glad they waited. I guess I would've better worded it had I said my hope is that Verizon/Motorola learned from releasing the time line too soon.

@wuyanks - That's a good point... as much as I try and take off my "power user" hat when thinking about that stuff, it's still there. I'd like to think there are more power users on Android (percentage-wise) than iPhone or others, but Android is becoming much more mainstream so that's probably not so much the case any more.
 
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