Android 2.2 - Froyo

[rkeller62]

if verizon does charge for a new data plan how much could it really cost i mean if they want to stay close to sprints prices?

No worries on a new data plan. You are already in a contract..... i believe the features will be at no charge just to keep the people happy

I think IF they offer a tether or hotspots option it seems most likely it would be $10 - $15 on top of your current data plan. I don't think people would be willing to pay more than that.

 

[jsh1120]

there's one major flaw in your observation; google worked exclusively with motorola (first) and HTC (second) to design a google experience phone. all other devices that have come out since, haven't had the same level of interaction from Google.

Google announced before the I/O that the newest update will be concentrated to DROID/N1 first. these are both Google's flagship "experience" devices, regardless of carrier.

Try looking at the picture from a global scale. Which of those newer CDMA handsets are available in any other country other than the US? The EVO/Incredible are N1 replacements. HTC most likely brokered soem sort of deal through exclusive licensing with each carrier in order to sell these products. It's something they're very well known for.

In my mind, the most likely scenario will be, HTC will get the update for the N1 and then retrofit it to work with the EVO/Incredible so as not to eliminate the Sense UI from the mix.

I don't know where this discussion of older handsets came into play, but this is technology. Manufacturers have NO obligation to provide latest software to these devices. The only thing they could be possibly be held accountable for are security updates. If you have a pre-DROID phone, you might as well start phone shopping.

I think we may be talking past one another. My focus was not on which manufacturer receives the 2.2 update from Google first. In fact, I assume they will all receive it simultaneously through the quasi-independent Android organization.

Rather, I was speculating (and it's pure speculation) on when the various carriers would receive the updates from the manufacturers and when they would release those updates to their subscribers. It's this last stage that matters to consumers.

I think there's no doubt that the N1 and the Droid are the "easiest" targets for updating. Neither has the Sense UI extensions wrapped around the o/s. But I remain skeptical that VZW is going to release a 2.2 update for the Droid ahead of the Incredible even if it's ready before HTC has completed the extensions for "Sense" and passed them on to VZW.

As for older devices, you're absolutely correct that no carrier has an obligation to update them. Sorry if I left the wrong impression. And from a marketing/sales perspective, there's little value in providing such updates. So it's a little surprising (to me) that VZW decided to update the Eris to 2.1 even after discontinuing sales of the phone.

But given VZW's action, I have to wonder what they and other carriers are considering for similar devices. What about the Devour? The Ally? I would have guessed that neither is likely to be updated. But after the VZW update of the Eris to 2.1, you have to wonder if other models are also in the pipeline for updates and whether 2.1 is the end of the line for them or they'll be moved to the 2.2 standard when/if it happens.

 

[brando56894]

Or it could mean that certain android phones simply are not capable of tethering. We know Droid can. Does Eris?

I dont see why it wouldnt be able to, I imagine tethering namely has to do with software more than hardware. For software you need the actual code and stuff to support it, and the correct kernel modules but for hardware all you need is a bi-directional WiFi radio, which they all are.

Plus you can use your Android phone as a remote? I will find the link or info soon.....

I use my PC as my media center and I love being able to control my pc via my phone, I used to use a wireless mouse but that was slightly annoying compared to using my droid. I use either PRemoteDroid or PhoneMyPC for navigating and XBMC remote to control XBMC when its open.

i wonder when were get video out put?

I see you smiling, but I don't get the joke. What do you mean by "video output"?

Im assuming he means "video out" such as HDMI out like one of the newer android phones has (i forget which) but over USB, which will probably never happen.... :-/

 

[paperdoll11789]

if verizon does charge for a new data plan how much could it really cost i mean if they want to stay close to sprints prices?

No worries on a new data plan. You are already in a contract..... i believe the features will be at no charge just to keep the people happy

I think IF they offer a tether or hotspots option it seems most likely it would be $10 - $15 on top of your current data plan. I don't think people would be willing to pay more than that.

i know i wouldnt but thats just me but i guess we will have to wait and see

 

[jroc]

I think thats why the Eris got updated to 2.1: they dont plan on giving it 2.2 And the Ally...Seeing as it might not run Flash or run it good, it might not get 2.2 either.

 

[640k]

there's one major flaw in your observation; google worked exclusively with motorola (first) and HTC (second) to design a google experience phone. all other devices that have come out since, haven't had the same level of interaction from Google.

Google announced before the I/O that the newest update will be concentrated to DROID/N1 first. these are both Google's flagship "experience" devices, regardless of carrier.

Try looking at the picture from a global scale. Which of those newer CDMA handsets are available in any other country other than the US? The EVO/Incredible are N1 replacements. HTC most likely brokered soem sort of deal through exclusive licensing with each carrier in order to sell these products. It's something they're very well known for.

In my mind, the most likely scenario will be, HTC will get the update for the N1 and then retrofit it to work with the EVO/Incredible so as not to eliminate the Sense UI from the mix.

I don't know where this discussion of older handsets came into play, but this is technology. Manufacturers have NO obligation to provide latest software to these devices. The only thing they could be possibly be held accountable for are security updates. If you have a pre-DROID phone, you might as well start phone shopping.

I think we may be talking past one another. My focus was not on which manufacturer receives the 2.2 update from Google first. In fact, I assume they will all receive it simultaneously through the quasi-independent Android organization.

Rather, I was speculating (and it's pure speculation) on when the various carriers would receive the updates from the manufacturers and when they would release those updates to their subscribers. It's this last stage that matters to consumers.

I think there's no doubt that the N1 and the Droid are the "easiest" targets for updating. Neither has the Sense UI extensions wrapped around the o/s. But I remain skeptical that VZW is going to release a 2.2 update for the Droid ahead of the Incredible even if it's ready before HTC has completed the extensions for "Sense" and passed them on to VZW.

As for older devices, you're absolutely correct that no carrier has an obligation to update them. Sorry if I left the wrong impression. And from a marketing/sales perspective, there's little value in providing such updates. So it's a little surprising (to me) that VZW decided to update the Eris to 2.1 even after discontinuing sales of the phone.

But given VZW's action, I have to wonder what they and other carriers are considering for similar devices. What about the Devour? The Ally? I would have guessed that neither is likely to be updated. But after the VZW update of the Eris to 2.1, you have to wonder if other models are also in the pipeline for updates and whether 2.1 is the end of the line for them or they'll be moved to the 2.2 standard when/if it happens.

my guess regarding the update of the eris was to test HTC's ability to update the Sensue UI with future releases.

as far as the incredible's timeframe, google said DROID/N1. if HTC is able to retrofit the 2.2 update for the EVO/Incredible in the same time frame, then there will be little to no wait, but that's not Google's concentration. My guess is that HTC is on their own with those devices.

DROID will get 2.2 I wouldn't hold your breath for 2.3 or 3.0.

 

[640k]

BTW, somebody posted a link, but i don't think anybody read it. It include's HTC's response, which clearly identifies HTC as the primary entity for making sure their devices receive the latest updates.

According to information from Google, its Nexus One device will be the first to update to Android 2.2. That makes sense, as it was the first Android 2.1 phone. The Motorola Droid will be the second. After that, well, who knows.

HTC must have received an endless number of questions on the matter, because later in the day it issued a statement about Android 2.2. HTC said:

"...if your phone was launched this year [2010], we will most likely offer an upgrade for it to the Froyo version. This includes popular models like the Desire and Droid Incredible as well as hotly anticipated phones like the Evo 4G, MyTouch slide and upcoming models. We will announce a full list of phones and dates once we are closer to launching the upgrades. We are working closely with Google and our other partners to ensure we have the earliest access to everything we need to provide a complete and solid Sense experience on Froyo. We expect to release all updates in the second half of this year but can't be more specific yet."​

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[Darkseider]

there's one major flaw in your observation; google worked exclusively with motorola (first) and HTC (second) to design a google experience phone. all other devices that have come out since, haven't had the same level of interaction from Google.

Google announced before the I/O that the newest update will be concentrated to DROID/N1 first. these are both Google's flagship "experience" devices, regardless of carrier.

Try looking at the picture from a global scale. Which of those newer CDMA handsets are available in any other country other than the US? The EVO/Incredible are N1 replacements. HTC most likely brokered soem sort of deal through exclusive licensing with each carrier in order to sell these products. It's something they're very well known for.

In my mind, the most likely scenario will be, HTC will get the update for the N1 and then retrofit it to work with the EVO/Incredible so as not to eliminate the Sense UI from the mix.

I don't know where this discussion of older handsets came into play, but this is technology. Manufacturers have NO obligation to provide latest software to these devices. The only thing they could be possibly be held accountable for are security updates. If you have a pre-DROID phone, you might as well start phone shopping.

I think we may be talking past one another. My focus was not on which manufacturer receives the 2.2 update from Google first. In fact, I assume they will all receive it simultaneously through the quasi-independent Android organization.

Rather, I was speculating (and it's pure speculation) on when the various carriers would receive the updates from the manufacturers and when they would release those updates to their subscribers. It's this last stage that matters to consumers.

I think there's no doubt that the N1 and the Droid are the "easiest" targets for updating. Neither has the Sense UI extensions wrapped around the o/s. But I remain skeptical that VZW is going to release a 2.2 update for the Droid ahead of the Incredible even if it's ready before HTC has completed the extensions for "Sense" and passed them on to VZW.

As for older devices, you're absolutely correct that no carrier has an obligation to update them. Sorry if I left the wrong impression. And from a marketing/sales perspective, there's little value in providing such updates. So it's a little surprising (to me) that VZW decided to update the Eris to 2.1 even after discontinuing sales of the phone.

But given VZW's action, I have to wonder what they and other carriers are considering for similar devices. What about the Devour? The Ally? I would have guessed that neither is likely to be updated. But after the VZW update of the Eris to 2.1, you have to wonder if other models are also in the pipeline for updates and whether 2.1 is the end of the line for them or they'll be moved to the 2.2 standard when/if it happens.

You bring up an interesting point with the Devour/Ally. Both devices are have identical internals as far as Processor/Memory. Now running 2.2 may not be out of the question but will they have Flash is another question. Seeing that Adobe or Google, can't remember which, has stated that a high end device is needed for Flash support.

 

[Darkseider]

BTW, somebody posted a link, but i don't think anybody read it. It include's HTC's response, which clearly identifies HTC as the primary entity for making sure their devices receive the latest updates.

According to information from Google, its Nexus One device will be the first to update to Android 2.2. That makes sense, as it was the first Android 2.1 phone. The Motorola Droid will be the second. After that, well, who knows.

HTC must have received an endless number of questions on the matter, because later in the day it issued a statement about Android 2.2. HTC said:

"...if your phone was launched this year [2010], we will most likely offer an upgrade for it to the Froyo version. This includes popular models like the Desire and Droid Incredible as well as hotly anticipated phones like the Evo 4G, MyTouch slide and upcoming models. We will announce a full list of phones and dates once we are closer to launching the upgrades. We are working closely with Google and our other partners to ensure we have the earliest access to everything we need to provide a complete and solid Sense experience on Froyo. We expect to release all updates in the second half of this year but can't be more specific yet."​

"...if your phone was launched this year [2010], we will most likely offer an upgrade for it to the Froyo version."

Does that bother anyone else besides me?

 

[640k]

BTW, somebody posted a link, but i don't think anybody read it. It include's HTC's response, which clearly identifies HTC as the primary entity for making sure their devices receive the latest updates.

According to information from Google, its Nexus One device will be the first to update to Android 2.2. That makes sense, as it was the first Android 2.1 phone. The Motorola Droid will be the second. After that, well, who knows.

HTC must have received an endless number of questions on the matter, because later in the day it issued a statement about Android 2.2. HTC said:

"...if your phone was launched this year [2010], we will most likely offer an upgrade for it to the Froyo version. This includes popular models like the Desire and Droid Incredible as well as hotly anticipated phones like the Evo 4G, MyTouch slide and upcoming models. We will announce a full list of phones and dates once we are closer to launching the upgrades. We are working closely with Google and our other partners to ensure we have the earliest access to everything we need to provide a complete and solid Sense experience on Froyo. We expect to release all updates in the second half of this year but can't be more specific yet."​

"...if your phone was launched this year [2010], we will most likely offer an upgrade for it to the Froyo version."

Does that bother anyone else besides me?

this is HTC. this is why i've tried my best to never buy another HTC product. they build several similarly built phones and market them differently. they even go as far as to remove, cripple or "forget" about hardware and features that will never function or be enabled.

if HTC manages to release updates for their entire google lineup, i would be surprised.

 

[jsh1120]

"...if your phone was launched this year [2010], we will most likely offer an upgrade for it to the Froyo version."

Does that bother anyone else besides me?

Jumped out at me, too. But I was more struck by such an odd phrase in a corporate communication than I was bothered by it. Typically such weasel wording is couched in phrases like "currently evaluating the impact" or some such.

Those who specialize in advising firms on corporate communications warn against phrases that seem to promise outcomes but don't actually do so. They frequently come back to bite one in the ass.

 

[jsh1120]

my guess regarding the update of the eris was to test HTC's ability to update the Sensue UI with future releases.

as far as the incredible's timeframe, google said DROID/N1. if HTC is able to retrofit the 2.2 update for the EVO/Incredible in the same time frame, then there will be little to no wait, but that's not Google's concentration. My guess is that HTC is on their own with those devices.

DROID will get 2.2 I wouldn't hold your breath for 2.3 or 3.0.

You might be right about the Eris. I certainly have no inside info but it does strike me that one could "test HTC's ability to update the Sense UI" without going through an actual release that VZW has to support.

As far as the Droid vs Incredible is concerned, I'm going to be very surprised if the former gets a 2.2 release before the latter from VZW. We'll see.

On the other hand, I think you're right about "Gingerbread," whether it's called 2.3 or 3.0. If it's designated "3.0" I'm guessing it will never be released for the Droid.

 

[boostdscoob]

droid is the most popular(read- most sold of single model) phone to date.
theres no way that it cant handle it, and they arent going to leave their bread and butter out to dry.

 

[hookbill]

my guess regarding the update of the eris was to test HTC's ability to update the Sensue UI with future releases.

as far as the incredible's timeframe, google said DROID/N1. if HTC is able to retrofit the 2.2 update for the EVO/Incredible in the same time frame, then there will be little to no wait, but that's not Google's concentration. My guess is that HTC is on their own with those devices.

DROID will get 2.2 I wouldn't hold your breath for 2.3 or 3.0.

You might be right about the Eris. I certainly have no inside info but it does strike me that one could "test HTC's ability to update the Sense UI" without going through an actual release that VZW has to support.

As far as the Droid vs Incredible is concerned, I'm going to be very surprised if the former gets a 2.2 release before the latter from VZW. We'll see.

On the other hand, I think you're right about "Gingerbread," whether it's called 2.3 or 3.0. If it's designated "3.0" I'm guessing it will never be released for the Droid.

Can you clear that up? I"m not sure if you're saying the Droid gets the update first and then the Incredible. i mean the Incredible as far as I know isn't even on the list.

Or were you saying Droid first Incredible second? That I'd agree with.

 

[jsh1120]

droid is the most popular(read- most sold of single model) phone to date.
theres no way that it cant handle it, and they arent going to leave their bread and butter out to dry.

Well, it's the single most popular ANDROID phone to date. And there's no question that the Droid will get the 2.2 upgrade. It's a question of when. Considering that Verizon cannot currently meet the demand for the Incredible, it would take some serious cajones to siphon off a significant portion of that demand to a $19.95 phone with a more capable operating system version.

Not to say that Verizon won't do so, but if I were a shareholder I'd have some serious questions about such a strategy.