Keep Incredible or X

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    EDIT: We have root with the Droid X. This topic is not really valid anymore. Thanks for the replies though!



    I am stuck trying to decide whether to keep the Droid X or The Droid Incredible. Quick backstory, I had the Droid Incredible for about a month till it had an issue where it needed to go back for warranty replacement. During that month I fell in love with the phone, with the only complaint being the lack of 720p video recording. Verizon told me that they would not be able to replace the Droid Incredible for a few weeks and offered me a Droid X instead. While it had not been released, all the system specs posted seemed to make it a superior phone so I took the offer and they shipped the Droid X the day it was released. The next day the phone arrived and I have been using it ever since. Yesterday however a new Droid Incredible arrived out of the blue; apparently Verizon screwed up and sent it thinking I still needed a replacement. I now have the option of picking between the two phones.

    On paper this is an easy choice. On top of matching the Droid Incredible specs, The Droid X has a larger screen, HDMI out, and has a better build quality. The 720p video [and wi-fi hot spot] update for the Droid Incredible make those features no longer part of the equation as both phones now have those features. Why is this decision so hard? Because the Droid X has some seriously nagging issues that while I want to love the phone, I just can’t help but feeling like I am about to pick the wrong device to send back. I don’t get that same warm fuzzy feeling that I did when I used the Droid Incredible.

    This post became too long, so I will bullet my concerns for people who don’t want to read below:

    Droid X lack of Internal memory access for storage.
    Droid X crippled HDMI
    Droid X awful looking and limited functionality motoblur [vs htc sense]
    Droid X poor system optimization [leading to lag]
    Larger screen but lack of larger resolution makes it look worse.

    First, the Droid X does not allow users to access the 8gb [6.4gb free] of internal memory. I like being able to back pictures and video up to both the phone and TransFlash [Micro SD, whatever]. I also like keeping wallpapers, ringers, and application data stored on the phones internal memory so that I can keep the TransFlash free for music and video. With the Droid Incredible I can do this, with the Droid X I cannot because Motorola decided to lock down the phone. I could care less that the incredible only has 750mb internal memory saved for apps as even with close to 35 apps installed I am not breaking the 200mb threshold. As far as I am concerned keeping the full 8gb of internal memory just for apps is an obscene waste of the internal memory.

    Second, HDMI is worthless on the Droid X because Verizon/Motorola are stupid incompetent fools that bow to the will of some piss-poor bankrupt video rental company with a archaic business model. After a lengthily discussion with a Verizon tech support team lead (supervisor) I was informed that the decision to cripple HDMI on the Droid X was solely at the request of the soon defunct Blockbuster. I am furious at this decision as it not only gimps the phone but proves that not only Verizon, but I too now have to grab my ankles for this BS company. IMO if Blockbuster wanted to lock out the HDMI support for their app, then they should have done so in that app, not the other way around. Why should other developers have to go out of their way to add HDMI support to their apps? It should be that a phone with an HDMI port has native support and any developer that does not want this has to code their app accordingly. Also, I am told by developers that HDMI support is locked down and no development tools are being released by Motorola. The developer who makes RockPlayer (DIVX/MKV video support) has replied to an email stating HDMI support in Rock Player is impossible at this time due to how the phone is locked down and the lack of development documentation and support for the HDMI port by Motorola.

    Basically I can’t display power point, word docs, etc on a projector or flat screen because those donkey holies at Blockbuster are ignorant enough to think someone would really want to try and VCR tape the POS low res output of their streaming videos. Have these SOB’s heard of torrents or DVD rippers? Do they know that if I were to hypothetically rip movies I would be dumb not to use RedBox which is only a $1, that way I would not only get a full DVD quality movie but a digital copy of the same quality that I can cut down to whatever resolution I wanted? Why would anyone want to copy their awful worse than 480i streaming content which costs $4 a movie? It’s this outdated thinking that has caused their company to go bankrupt. Ironically they don’t have any problems worrying about people ripping movies off their streaming PC service why the problem with cell phone streaming? Enjoy your bankruptcy; the world will be a better place without blockbuster.

    Motorola blur is awful. It reminds me of Windows 95. Are the people at Motorola blind? HTC sense is visually much more appealing. Sense widgets are more advanced in every way accept resizing. In sense I can pinch to zoom and see all my home screens at once. In sense, the weather widget overlays even on an active desktop background which allows for cool weather effects like rain and fog even with live wallpapers. Blur has piss poor resource optimization. If you look at applications running in the background using a task killer [I use the paid version of SystemPanel] there are far more active resources running in Blur then HTC sense. This seems odd being that blur is far less technically evolved then sense. It’s this lack of resource and UI optimization that seems to be causing the lag I am seeing with my Droid X. I never once got lag scrolling, etc with my Droid Incredible. Also the added bloatware like skype and Amazon mp3 seem to keep restarting no matter how many times I kill the tasks. These added “viruses” on the Droid X take up vital system resources and should not keep restarting; they certainly do not restart on the Droid Incredible until the phone is restarted. Also, the Droid X seems to start and cache nearly every application on the phone for no good reason. The Droid Incredible never did this and I was running the same applications. HTC sense has built in flash lite which worked fairly well; blur does not. The list goes on but to sum it up, blur sucks, it’s seriously outdated and has nothing on HTC sense.

    Hardware wise, the Droid X is built better then the Droid Incredible with one acceptation; the hardware buttons on the Droid X are cheap feeling. I have no idea why they would build such a solidly made device and put crap buttons on the front. On at least my [and the Verizon store demo] Droid X, they do not “click” well, are not lined up 100% with each other, and at least two are a mm off in height from each other. Also, while the Droid X has a larger screen the resolution is not far off from the Droid Incredible, making its smaller screen seem clearer then the larger one on the Droid X. Having both devices handy it’s very obvious the Droid Incredible screen is not only clearer but more vibrant. This is also the case with the pictures the Incredible takes. While the Droid X has this amazing two stop photo button, hardware shutter, and photos with colors that are more “true” to real life, the clarity of the photos are far worse than the Droid Incredible. IMO I like a more vibrant color photo, even if its not exactly true to real life.

    In conclusion, I want to love the Droid X but just can’t right now. On paper it looks so much better than it is in person. If HTC made the device things would be different. I doubt we would see the HDMI locked down, we would have a better UI, better resource optimization, better widgets, etc. The lack of a decent screen resolution on the Droid X is disappointing, especially with such an amazing large screen. The cameras ability of take a sharp clear photo is shocking due to how much more advanced the camera seems over the one in the Droid Incredible.

    The only way this device is going to be anywhere near what it could be is if it gets rooted.
    Ironically, I have no reason to root the Droid Incredible and if I keep that device will not do so, even though it’s possible to do right now. That is truly a sad thing right there; HTC did not bother putting the effort in locking the device down like Motorola, yet they did not need to because accept for some hardware specs their device is superior in every way. Its funny Motorola would make the claim they were worried about protecting their intellectual property when in reality there is nothing intelligent about it; its second rate to HTC a company that did not feel the need to overly lock down anything. That’s the biggest irony of all.

    So do I keep this inferior device hoping that root will one day come to solve the crippled HDMI and CFW solve the POS motoblur; or do I keep a device with a smaller screen and no HDMI but has a much better user experience? I have this sick feeling in my stomach that I am going to bet on the Droid X and find out she was the wrong horse. Motorola burnt me back in the days of the V710 and I have not used a Motorola phone since; vowing I would never again touch one of their phones. I just don’t know.
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    Keep the Inc.
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    sounds to me you hate almost everything about the X compared to the Incredible...so why would you keep the X? I myself havent had either...I have messed around with a friends Incredible and im currently waiting to recieve my X in the mail...although every comparison review ive read on both phones seems to crown the X victorious, with the only advantage on the Incredible being the Sense UI is better than the X's UI...I also have a friend who works for Verizon and swore up and down he would never leave his Blackberry for a Droid and he didnt when the Incredible came out but when he got his chance to play with the X pre-release he ordered it and ditched the BB...which is what really sold me, and the fact i have a 9 month old that i would love to be taking HD video of!
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    Longest post EVER!

    I have the Inc. Hate it for too many reasons. Getting the X tomorrow and mailing this pos back...
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    ^Hey, dont tell that to current Inc owners....u might get a thread closed...lol

    Exactly...I have an X, but based on his post....it only felt right to say keep the Inc....lol I'm tired of trying to convince ppl of this n that, doing comparisons, etc.

    If phone A works for u better than phone B, go with phone A. And vice versa. I got into a debate with some Inc owners about the X having hardware advantages over the Inc, and the Inc having software advantages over the X. I GAVE PROPS TO THE INC FOR SENSE UI...lol They still called the X a POS. They basically blew off the hardware advantages of the X cuz Sense UI is sooo smoooth. I said forget it, ppl will hate what they want no matter what pros something else has.

    I believe u see more Blur things running in the background cuz this version of Blur isnt an entire overlay like Sense UI.. A Motorola exec said this version of Blur is separate from the OS. Look at the lock screens. On the X its vanilla Android, on the Inc. its Sense UI based. Even the browsers are different. Pinch to zoom reformats the texts. On the X, double tapping reformats the texts. I believe Sense UI is tied into the OS alot more.
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    Thanks for the replies. Its really a matter of whether the X will get rooted. As stated above I never planned on rooting the incredible, nor do I have a need to do so if I keep that phone. The Droid X though can be so much more of a phone if it were not so locked down. I am not even talking about them locking down root, just the HDMI and internal memory.

    I also think that 2.2 may fix some of these issues. If the issues are fixed the Droid X will be a better phone, but out of the box that's not the case; at least for me. This is my issue when making the decision which to return, and the reason for the lengthily post:

    What are the odds Motorola/Verizon will loosen the grip on the phone and Fix the HDMI lockdown? How about the internal memory lockdown?

    If not, what are the odds of root? I have read root may be easy but getting custom FW on the phone will be much harder... will root alone fix the above two issues or will it take CFW?

    Thanks in advance.

    EDIT: How about 2.2 Do we think 2.2 might help? Do we think 2.2 might bring a better UI to the Droid X that makes it more modern looking like HTC?


    @jrock Why do you think this is so difficult for me? The Droid X has better hardware, and the Inc better software. Just like you said. There are some hardware issues with the Droid X just like there are some software issues with the INC, but in both cases they are fairly limited in these issues. I don't think the Droid X is a POS, nor do I think the INC is perfect. I just think the INC will work better for me unless someone finds a way to loosen the grip on our balls that Moto/VZW has right now concerning the Droid X. I for one am quite tired of restrictions with Verizon phones as I have been dealing with this nonsense now over 10 years. BTW: I was a 6+year blackberry user that came over for Android too!
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    ^He might have changed the launcher and used other apps for email, messaging, etc. A different launcher does help with home screen lag.

    Thalinor, 2.2 wont make it look more modern. It will help with any lag from vanilla Android 2.1, Blur.

    The lockdowns will probably need root to fix. And root probably will fix the 2 issues u mentioned. When u root, u have access to the file system. I dont know if that means u can store stuff on the internal memory. Since the X just got rooted, it will be soon for the folks behind rooting it to see what we can and cant do.
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    No, he means replacing the default apps and widgets. He is right about making the blur experience less painful but it's like putting a band-aid on a guy who was run over by a truck. I found the app "Beautiful Widgets" makes the clock and weather more HTC Sense like and use that now instead of the god awful default Motorola clock and weather widgets. Again, why should I have to suck extra resources for a clock? Shouldn't the default clock be good enough? Anyone who thinks the default Motorola clock and whether widgets are even "good enough" is seriously lying to themselves.

    EDIT: jroc, I did not know the X was rooted, that must have just happened today?! Great news. This is exactly why I posted the Q here... The Droid X CAN be better then the INC but will take much more community work. What I love about Android is the community and if they got root today then there is hope for the phone.
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    Incredible for sure
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    Ya just found that. Rooting My X Now; Inc going back. Inc still has a better interface but the hardware of the X wins right now. Thanks!
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    Facing exactly the same decision. Any chance of better photos with the X? With children, the quality of the photos (forget the color saturation - easily fixed) is important to me.
    X - better call quality, voice dialing over BT
    Inc - everything you said and especially the camera

    So - what abou photos?
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    The camera's may seem on the same level on the screens (the incredible super auto sharpens), but blow the picture up to about 8.5" x 11" and you will see the difference in quality. The X probably takes better pictures than any phone to date, and much better pictures than my old kodak.

    Trust me, you need to go to the store and take several pictures of several different things for color depth and variety and you'll be reassured.

    Another thing, 720p video on the X is simply ridiculous. That 3rd mic is pretty amazing at noise cancelling.
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    I appreciate your suggestion. Is your experience based on having both the Incredible and the X or only the X vs. other phones you have used?

    Thanks
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    I was in the process to purchase the Incredible a month ago. It was sold out. I ended up getting the X. Large screen and swype plus a few other factors. I'm sure you can't go wrong with either.
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    Having had both phones, I can provide the following information based on my experience. The Inc's camera produces sharper looking images. This is mostly noticeable when you zoom in to a photo or view it at native 8mp resolution. I have noticed this in my own use with both phones and it has been proven online in articles discussing the issue.

    http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/127431-droid-x-vs-droid-incredible-8mp-camera-showdown.html

    The above link is just one of the comparison articles I have read; a Google search will bring up several others. Every comparison seems to follow what I have found using both devices, with the Inc camera taking sharper photos. Also, as stated above the Inc seems to oversaturated images giving them an unnatural overly vibrant color tone. I personally like this about the Inc, but others use it as a negative. It's really personal preference and as you said, it’s easily fixed in Lightroom or Photoshop. Unfortunately, the clarity issue does not fix so easily. Having run Droid X photos through sharpen in Photoshop I can fix part of the clarity issues, but they still don’t look as sharp as the ones taken on the Inc.

    This is not to say the Inc has a "better" camera then the Droid X, in fact comparing hardware specs the Droid X is technically superior. The hardware shutter and two stop photo button functions like a regular point and shoot camera. The Inc however is still a "cell phone camera" in the way it functions. The Droid X takes photos faster than the Inc due to the fact the camera focuses faster than it does on the Inc. Overall the Droid X camera feels and functions more natural; like a point and shoot camera. I am not sure if a software update can fix the clarity issue, but if it does the Droid X camera would be superior in every way. Even with the clarity issue, I would have to say the Droid X camera would by my choice between the two phones.

    With regard to video I have not taken 720p on the Inc as it was not an option when I owned the phone, and the one in the box needs to be activated before it will let me do anything which is not going to happen. The Droid X takes great video, in fact it seems to be clearer then my point and shoot which also does 720p. Where it is not superior then my standalone camera is frame rate, which is limited to 24fps instead of 30fps. This is noticeable when you pan the phone while taking video or have a fast moving subject. I am not sure if this can be fixed via a software update or if it’s a limit in the device technology.

    Hope this helps.
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    Just returned X to Verizon.
    Bought it full price and paid $35 restocking fee - I look at is as "rent" while I played with it and tried to make a decision.
    Reasons for Incredible over the X as previously mentioned.
    I'll miss the Panoramic photos and the voice clarity.
    Looking forward to the next generation of Droids (not the D2 but whatever follows).
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    I was gonna get the incredible but then I saw the X and got that instead.

    Both phones worked great but I aint a fan of the HTC sense.

    My X is great, I love it, I like the swype keyboard and the multi-touch keyboard.

    the big screen is real nice and looks amazing, I thought it would be a problem with the screen being so big but it wasn't at all.

    videos on it look amazing, its real fast, very snappy.

    kinda pissed they are taking so long on 2.2 but I'd rather have em take there time with it than release it and have it be ****ty.

    point being, I love my Droid X and if you ask me, its up to what you want. if you want a big screen the X is the way to go, if your lookin for something small, the DI is the way to go.
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