cool thanks for the quick reply, ok, so I beleive airplane mode disables the gps also. the gps icon shows up but says searching for location, while in airplane mode. so i went in and set my phone to gsm/umts networks as opposed to global or lte/cdma. this provided me with no bars or signal but the gps was working (wifi was turned off too.)
Is there a way to shut off searching for the phone signal without shutting off the gps to save battery life while in the backcountry?
I did call and ask verizon before I posted this question and they told me there was no satelite based gps in the phone but it does appear that there is.
I also tried it with my old droid x and it appears to work too, its no longer on service and it works as a gps off of wifi.