Locked Bootloader?

[ZeroGravity107]

I'm a D1 user, have been for almost a year. When the X came out I drooled and feigned over it, and I continue to do so until I read about the G2 and there was a link to something similar with DX.

Has the DX community gotten past the encrypted bootloader? I assume you guys have considering I see some roms available.

 

[jmart8684]

Nothing yet. William Pitcock (nenolod) on Twitter
If you're on twitter follow him. He's working on it

 

[ZeroGravity107]

Then how is it there are custom ROMs out? What is the bootloader?

 

[jmart8684]

All we have access to right now is /system files. If the bootloader is every fully broke, we will also have access to boot(i believe is where the kernel is), recovery(which is why bootstrapper is needed to temporarily flash clockworkmod), is we currently have with the Droid 1. Right now, the droid x roms only edit /system files, while droid 1, you can flash roms, flash and keep a recovery, change kernels, etc

 

[czerdrill]

The "custom" roms for the x are really just /system edits and nothing to write home about. The bootloader will probably never be cracked

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[liferefugee]

Never say never... Anything created can be broken. Just look at the movie industry's attempts to lock things down.

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[czerdrill]

The bootloader will never be cracked. The type of encryption it employs has never been cracked by anyone ever and a small group of android devs are not going to be the first ones to do it. Maybe they'll find some workaround our something to get an actual custom rom on the x (but that's doubtful), but they are not going to crack the bootloader.

If they do (which they won't) they would most probably become insta-celebrities and every govt agency in the world would know about them because of the scope of what they just did...in other words? Not gonna happen...

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[liferefugee]

I doubt that it is unbreakable, if it truly is moto would not be able to decrypt it. Since they can, there must be a key. If there is a key it can be cracked... The only thing that is truly unbreakable is something that is unusable. QED

Course that his just my programmers pride probably.

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[czerdrill]

of course it's not unbreakable, in the sense that no one can decrypt it. naturally, motorola has the key, and they can break it. what i'm saying is some guy named birdman or koush is not going to be the one to break it. 2048bit RSA encryption is not something some android dev sitting at home tinkering is going to break it by himself. it has nothing to do with skill, it has to do with the limits of current technology and probability.

 

[godfish]

Thanks for all the info! I didn't know that the ROMs out now are just pseudo Roms, I'm Rooted and I'm going to just stick with 2.2ota its working good and good is better then BRICKED.

 

[czerdrill]

Thanks for all the info! I didn't know that the ROMs out now are just pseudo Roms, I'm Rooted and I'm going to just stick with 2.2ota its working good and good is better then BRICKED.

Yep, the ota is probably the most stable kernel you'll get and if it's working for you you should stick with it. being rooted, you can still apply themes and stuff though!

 

[CellZealot]

Just an FYI...anyone who has been working on this in earnest knows full well that "cracking" in the way that czerdrill is suggesting, a brute force crack of the signature on the bootloader, is not the way to go about it.

The challenge is to find a way to dance around that...daunting nonetheless, but not the quixotic impossibility that he is refuting.

 

[czerdrill]

Breaking the decryption is a 100% no chance..."dancing around it" like you suggest is 99.999999% no chance...it's not happening dude...

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[thatisandwas]

Why is it so impossible to believe that a backdoor can't be found just like many other devices??? Like the ps3??? I mean....i just dont buy the whole "it will NEVER be done."

 

[czerdrill]

Why is it so impossible to believe that a backdoor can't be found just like many other devices??? Like the ps3??? I mean....i just dont buy the whole "it will NEVER be done."

That's my point...a backdoor is the only chance...and that's unlikely...very very unlikely

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