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I'll not be buying gas from BP ever again.

you want to really be angry, then watch this. How many of you youngsters remember this?

the question is, why are we allowing it to happen (again)?

[video=youtube;GHmhxpQEGPo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxpQEGPo&feature=youtube_gdata]YouTube - Rachel Maddow- The more spills change_ the more they stay the same[/video]
 
No, it's BP first, but include Transocean. Yes, blowout breakdown is Transocean, but BP is in charge and ignored it when the blowout preventor rubber pieces came up to the deck and it was BP who won the argument to start drilling before they were ready, after the head of Transocean on the rig said not to.
 
Careful with the political posts folks... I don't like this either, but we have rules about getting into politics on these boards..

Noted, Sam, and thanks for striking it from the record for me. Also SamRedMan, thanks for the counterpoint. It has given me something to think about.

Yeah, no need to go issuing infractions for that.. ;) I figure just get rid of it, no harm nor foul..
 
not buying from BP???

People said that about Exxon and they are the most profitable oil company in the world.


People will put it in the back of their mind in the not too distant future like they did with Exxon and sadly how they have with 9/11.
 
I must admit that every time I see an idea by bp in place circus music plays in my head. Because it is a circus. You have average every day people with proven ideas to clean it up but nope they continues to ignore it. Why...because I dont think they care about cleaning up the water, they care about cleaning up the oil. I am upset about this. And I think everyone has their part in the blame.
Our leaders (and I am not talking about any particular administration so this is not really a political argument) have allowed bp and the oild companies to go on like this for years, beyond any one administration. Why, because its hard to say that "we are going to stop all underwater drilling", heck that very issue spurred alot of issues in the previous election.
Face it: we demand energy and we need to have it. We are not going to drop our energy demand....we want stuff, we need jobs, and all that requires energy. Whether we get our energy from overseas or underwater it pose risks.
It is the constant struggle for balance, if you put a lot of restrictions on businesses they take it out on the common man by not paying their employees as much, laying people off, or raising the costs. But if we ignore placing restrictions then we will see things like this.
People who argue on both sides of the fence are both right but the answer is not on one side, but some where in the middle. We need to find that balance and the best way is to discuss it like reasonable people and not allow a simple idea or belief result in hard feelings.
I personally do not look to one channel or one side for my answer I actually like to read and listen to all sides. I then form my opinion from there. But it is an opinion. There are times when opinions are no brainer solutions, but their are other times where you just do not have enough infomation to form an intelligent opinion. And yet people will treat their opinion as law and it results in flaming back and forth.
You say you want to boycott BP, but bp is big enough that they own part of other companies. They released a report that said that even in this crisis BP continues to make a profit, that the amount of money it cost to clean and deal with this spill is not half of the profit they get everyday.
Too many companies rely on energy and BP probably have their hands in more businesses then you or I know.
The point I am trying to make. If you want to really do something then unity is the best method, you have to have enough people angry and willing to put aside their difference to make a difference. But I dont think people are willing to do that. People are so dug in that it is hard to even reason with them at times. It takes a tragedy to bring people together, ie 9/11. But is the BP oil spill enough of an issue that it can do that, that it can unite people.
Uniting people to find solutions, not to blame. After we get it fixed we can blame, but right now we need people who can come up with ideas. We also need people willing to put BP to the test and force them to listen to the solutions that americans are providing.
I know I danced all around the political line, but it is not meant to cause an argument. But to unite, to put aside our different views so that we can fix OUR COUNTRY. BP does not care as much because this is not their home. But it is our home and the outrage should be directed to finding solutions, and demanding a better job being done.
 
if you have not yet watched the short youtube video I posted, you owe yourself, and this world, to watch it. It's a recant of the oil spill in the gulf 31 years ago. If you closed your eyes and listened, you wouldn't know they were talking about 31 years ago, you'd think they were talking about today. The exact same events have unfolded again.

To pilotcharles point, this country is too short sited, too me me me, we can't remember what happened yesterday, and I doubt it will ever change
 
mscinfl: more things change.....


jntowers: Our views are based on our up bringing. People who grew up in urban areas and seen some of the things in the streets tens to have different views from some one who grew up in rural areas and had a solid family and watched neighbors and their folks put in long hour days.

I grew up in a unique situation. My parents were military and my mother was from urban area and my dad from the rural area. My parents sent me to both every year. So I see where both sides have a point. The point in that is people based their opinions on their own lives and experiences. I dont think people should abandon their up bringing, in other words forget where they came from, but should be willing to respect other people and their views. Also should be able to have their opinions and different views with out it turning into bitterness, hatred, and childlike behavior.
 
pilot, I'm not sure if we're speaking in the same direction or not, but I couldn't agree with you more on unity.

My point was more along the lines of this thought process...

Unfortunately, real change typically only occurs when "the majority" is directly affected by whatever situation. 9/11 is a perfect example. The days and weeks after 9/11, this country was more united than it had been since WWII. The American flag was everywhere. But, for a majority of the country, life went on as expected. Soon, people forgot, and the unity was lost, and the bickering began.

On the other side of the coin, look at our parents/grandparents' (depending on your age!) generation. The Great Depression... affected essentially everybody in some way shape or form, and that generation is still, to this day, extremely frugal. We have clients (I'm a financial planner) worth millions that still worry about a few dollars extra here or there - and I mean really worry.

My point is that human nature is to be a little bit fickle and to base our opinions and views solely on our experiences, rather than critical thinking and mature/unifying discussion. It's unfortunate, but it seems, historically, that it takes an event or situation of drastic proportion to truly change the way "the majority" thinks and acts.
 
Boo hoo hoo. I'll buy gas from whatever station is selling it the cheapest. Boycotting a company is not going to prevent another accident. Are you still boycotting Exxon over the Valdez spill? Ford or Firestone for the tire blowouts 10 years ago? Wal-Mart and Nike for using sweatshops in the past? The list could go on forever. (I know these examples are on a different scale as the current event but the point remains)

Pretty soon you're gonna be riding a bicycle to work, or walking, barefoot because of boycotting companies over scandals or accidents

I'm sure HP may have done some shoddy things in the past but I still bought their computer because I like the product.
 
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Boo hoo hoo. I'll buy gas from whatever station is selling it the cheapest. Boycotting a company is not going to prevent another accident. Are you still boycotting Exxon over the Valdez spill? Ford or Firestone for the tire blowouts 10 years ago? Wal-Mart and Nike for using sweatshops in the past? The list could go on forever. (I know these examples are on a different scale as the current event but the point remains)

Pretty soon you're gonna be riding a bicycle to work, or walking, barefoot because of boycotting companies over scandals or accidents

I'm sure HP may have done some shoddy things in the past but I still bought their computer because I like the product.

Isn't that the point, people don't care enough to make a difference, so things like this happen again, and again, and again.
 
Boo hoo hoo. I'll buy gas from whatever station is selling it the cheapest. Boycotting a company is not going to prevent another accident. Are you still boycotting Exxon over the Valdez spill? Ford or Firestone for the tire blowouts 10 years ago? Wal-Mart and Nike for using sweatshops in the past? The list could go on forever. (I know these examples are on a different scale as the current event but the point remains)

Pretty soon you're gonna be riding a bicycle to work, or walking, barefoot because of boycotting companies over scandals or accidents

I'm sure HP may have done some shoddy things in the past but I still bought their computer because I like the product.

Isn't that the point, people don't care enough to make a difference, so things like this happen again, and again, and again.

When you have and know people that live in the area that it is affecting you don't look at this as a "Boo hoo hoo" event. Boycotting would work if EVERYONE did it...but that will never happen.
 
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