Charger question....

[frankjc]

Hi, I am new to this forum, new to Droids, new to smartphones. Have a charger question. Will the charger from my LG ENV touch work? It plugs in, but my son says his doesn't work with his Droid. He has the first version of the Motorolla Droid.
Thanks.

 

[CBMGGM]

Not a good idea; you can kill the battery or worse........

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[jayman350]

Not a good idea; you can kill the battery or worse........

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not true, I have been using at least 3 different chargers with my Bionic and never have any issues. Some Bionics seem to only work w/ the stock Moto cable that they come with, luckily mine is not one of those. I use a cheap cable I picked up from meritline as well as the moto ones, all of them work just fine.

Check the markings on the charger from the Env and compare it to the one that came w/ your Bionic. I am going to guess that the voltage will be about the same, but the amperage will probably be different.

The only time you might have an issue is using a car charger w/ a low output, typically they don't put out enough current to keep up with the useage. I got this car adapter because of the 2.1A output and it works great. I can use Navigation, play music, and it will still charge the battery by the time I get where I am going.

 

[yaterml]

According to Moto the phone will not recognize the circuitry in the charger and it will lead to an over charged battery and second it "voids" the warranty. 1 which is illegal as long as the output is the same i.e. Voltage and Current (usually denoted V and mA) it is unlawful to claim it voids the warranty. 2 the phones are designed to stop charging when full and the government requires Li-ion batteries have cutoff protection circuitry to prevent the battery from venting. But Sprint does produce a charger that will only charge Sprint phones don't ask me how it just won't. I wouldn't use a Blackberry charger on a Moto the currents are too high for even the Blackberry which results in their infamous swollen batteries.

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[FoxKat]

According to Moto the phone will not recognize the circuitry in the charger and it will lead to an over charged battery and second it "voids" the warranty. 1 which is illegal as long as the output is the same i.e. Voltage and Current (usually denoted V and mA) it is unlawful to claim it voids the warranty. 2 the phones are designed to stop charging when full and the government requires Li-ion batteries have cutoff protection circuitry to prevent the battery from venting. But Sprint does produce a charger that will only charge Sprint phones don't ask me how it just won't. I wouldn't use a Blackberry charger on a Moto the currents are too high for even the Blackberry which results in their infamous swollen batteries.

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Well, you're right as far as Motorola specifying their own chargers be used our it may void you're warranty. You're also right as to why based on Motorola's explanation. Where I beg to differ is the legality of the right to void the warranty if a third party charger is used.

To say that such a restriction is illegal is making assumptions. If that were so, then manufacturers wouldn't be able to protect themselves from excess warranty claims due to poorly designed power supplies which can result on damage to the device in question. It's not just about voltage and amperage, it's also about tolerances and quality of power. Poorly designed power supplies may produce 5.1v at 750mAh, but it may be riddles with RF Interferance, voltage fluctuations, current fluctuations, etc., and those "dirty" power sources stress components and cause at best early failure, and at worst catastrophic failure.

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[BroidDrionic]

I use all kinds of different chargers and cables on mine and haven't had any problems at all. LG, nokia, apple, blackberry, sony, moto, etc etc.
I guess I'll let you guys know if I get a "swollen battery", but I haven't yet found a charger or cable that can't give power to my bionic.

 

[BroidDrionic]

I wouldn't use a Blackberry charger on a Moto the currents are too high
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The current rating of a charger is what it's capable of supplying, not what it will supply all the time. The phone has a current limiter (bionic's is at 850 mA). So even someone using a 2.1A USB port in their car will only draw .85A into the phone. USB ports on computers, for some perspective, are only capable of supplying 500mA of current, which is why your phone charges faster from a wall or car charger than it does from your computer.

 

[frankjc]

Thanks for the replies. So, it sounds like it would be ok to just use the USB cord and connected to the computer?
I will read the specs on both chargers.

 

[yaterml]

Well, you're right as far as Motorola specifying their own chargers be used our it may void you're warranty. You're also right as to why based on Motorola's explanation. Where I beg to differ is the legality of the right to void the warranty if a third party charger is used.

To say that such a restriction is illegal is making assumptions. If that were so, then manufacturers wouldn't be able to protect themselves from excess warranty claims due to poorly designed power supplies which can result on damage to the device in question. It's not just about voltage and amperage, it's also about tolerances and quality of power. Poorly designed power supplies may produce 5.1v at 750mAh, but it may be riddles with RF Interferance, voltage fluctuations, current fluctuations, etc., and those "dirty" power sources stress components and cause at best early failure, and at worst catastrophic failure.

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If the charger passes UL listing, and FCC regulations, then there is nothing that could violate the warranty. its an old automaufaturing law from 1976 I want to say. That prevents a manufacturer that not allowing use of nonoem replacement parts if they meet the correct federal standards. You might remember when the BIONIC first came out it you had to use the provided charger and cable only it was rejecting even Verizon car chargers then they put an update out to fix this although I never actually suffered for this issue. Same goes for batteries.

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[yaterml]

The current rating of a charger is what it's capable of supplying, not what it will supply all the time. The phone has a current limiter (bionic's is at 850 mA). So even someone using a 2.1A USB port in their car will only draw .85A into the phone. USB ports on computers, for some perspective, are only capable of supplying 500mA of current, which is why your phone charges faster from a wall or car charger than it does from your computer.

This is right in theory. All this circuitry shoud limit the the maximum current draw. Some chargers post their nominal outputs so post peak outputs some post operational outputs some post any combination. If everything worked the way it should the batteries would last 5 years never suffer voltage, and would never be overcharged never swell up. Batteries are intentionally designed to fail in 2 years this is why manufacturers have moved to internal nonremoveable batteries it keeps people from hugging a device. If they do umm Humm LG and Verizon push an update to kill nonoem batteries that also harms their own batteries aw well. I ie octane ally lg gx520 anything using the lgip340nv battery.

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[yaterml]

I say stick to Moto charger or non brand specific charver

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[yaterml]

Voltage depression suffer voltage depression

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[hookbill]

This is right in theory. All this circuitry shoud limit the the maximum current draw. Some chargers post their nominal outputs so post peak outputs some post operational outputs some post any combination. If everything worked the way it should the batteries would last 5 years never suffer voltage, and would never be overcharged never swell up. Batteries are intentionally designed to fail in 2 years this is why manufacturers have moved to internal nonremoveable batteries it keeps people from hugging a device. If they do umm Humm LG and Verizon push an update to kill nonoem batteries that also harms their own batteries aw well. I ie octane ally lg gx520 anything using the lgip340nv battery.

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Sorry but I really got an lol from your post.

Not putting down your theory of whether or not a battery is "intentionally" designed to malfunction after two years, the truth is that in two years your smartphone is not so smart. You probably will have a new phone with a new battery anyway.

 

[yaterml]

Not necessarily malfunction but inorder to increase battery capacity it has to either increase in size or chemistry density. The manufacturer determines the ratio of size, density and frailty of lithium so that it fits their device, their time table and has reasonable capacity and capacity retention. Sony is notoriously controlling on their batteries for their laptops and the released a bios update that rejected Sony batteries and would tell you to use oem batteries. LG has done the something and Samsung has also started to do a similar low level update to accomplish the same feat. Only on their Verizon phones. It seams to effect phones in the 2 year old to 5 year old range only.

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[hookbill]

Not necessarily malfunction but inorder to increase battery capacity it has to either increase in size or chemistry density. The manufacturer determines the ratio of size, density and frailty of lithium so that it fits their device, their time table and has reasonable capacity and capacity retention. Sony is notoriously controlling on their batteries for their laptops and the released a bios update that rejected Sony batteries and would tell you to use oem batteries. LG has done the something and Samsung has also started to do a similar low level update to accomplish the same feat. Only on their Verizon phones. It seams to effect phones in the 2 year old to 5 year old range only.

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Assuming that any of what you say is true, I still maintain that you wouldn't have the same battery in 2 years no matter what so what difference does it make? Also you are talking a lot of stuff but you are not showing where this information comes from.

I really think that if anything what phone manufacturers are trying to do is get more life out of a battery in a single days use. This idea of a conspiracy to make battery life shorter is not based in any fact and besides, buying a new battery is not that expensive. You can find them on Amazon or eBay at a a much lower price then you would in a phone store.