it's not in that category because it has an unlocked bootloader. To those who haven't rooted or flashed a custom ROM, their phone isn't going to support significant new features of GB unless they root, and many millions don't. The samsung phones that still don't even have froyo are in that category because they don't even have voice dialing over bluetooth, or portable hotspot, etc. the d1 is an anomaly of smartphones. it has such a long shelf life only because of its bootloader, not because it's an amazing piece of technology. it's a great phone because of its capabilities, but the stock specs are flimsy.
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it's not in that category because it has an unlocked bootloader. To those who haven't rooted or flashed a custom ROM, their phone isn't going to support significant new features of GB unless they root, and many millions don't. The samsung phones that still don't even have froyo are in that category because they don't even have voice dialing over bluetooth, or portable hotspot, etc. the d1 is an anomaly of smartphones. it has such a long shelf life only because of its bootloader, not because it's an amazing piece of technology. it's a great phone because of its capabilities, but the stock specs are flimsy.
well that's expected though. iphone will have a longer eol then any android phone ever made, only because it's one OS on only one phone, made my one company. doesnt necessarily mean the iphone is better than android, but naturally it will outlive any android phone that's released
But that's not obsolescence. Yeah, I've seen the patches and updates, haven't had any real issues myself, but this counters your own argument. Developers ARE updating and those apps ARE continuing to work. In one instance you're saying "you won't get updates" and "apps won't work" and the above refutes that.
The Samsung phones that haven't gotten Froyo, this is true, but those phones still work just fine. They haven't gotten bluetooth and flash with Froyo, but still a lot of apps coming out that work just fine. If I don't get Gingerbread, an app that stops working with GB doesn't affect me.
I just don't get this argument. You buy a PC you can upgrade the OS, but 99% of people aren't going to do it. And my 4 year old laptop running Vista was not obsolete the hardware just gave out (after I absolutely ran it into the ground, and dropped several times).
Obsolete is a term thrown about very loosely around here and its a boogeyman argument. My D1, unrooted or not, is not obsolete. Now, when I got that old PC running Vista and Outlook 2003 wouldn't work any more and wasn't ever going to, THAT'S obsolescence. Of course, I could just upgrade OFFICE, or use a free package like Thunderbird (which I did), so even that didn't make my PC obsolete.
While the cycle does get faster, it does provide a REAL benefit when you upgrade. Instead of the "old days" when you trade a phone for another phone just because your old one is beat up, now we trade a 550MHz phone for a 1.3GHz phone, etc. That way, we have REAL performance/feature updates by the time the 2-year mark rolls around.
You're just nitpicking, sir. When I say you won't get updates, I'm talking about OS updates. The reason I even bought up apps is because you said you've never had any problem with any apps ever (which is hard to believe considering the problems that plagued D1 owners when the Froyo OTA was released was pretty well documented on DF itself).
Obsolete doesn't mean it just stops working, that you wake up one day and your D1 doesn't turn on anymore. It means it doesn't become a viable or widely utilized phone anymore because there are superior phones out there. I'm sure there are people out there who still have Windows 3.1 on some old PC they have in the basement. If they hooked it up, it'd still work...that doesn't not make it obsolete.
If Froyo has bluetooth dialing, then Eclair is obsolete in that there are superior versions of Android out there. There's no new phones coming out that are advertised as "Now including Android Eclair!! The latest version before the latest one before the latest one!!"...why?
Same way no phone is going to come out with a 550 clock speed, and 256MB of RAM anymore. Sure it'll work, but why would they put that into a phone when there are superior products out there? That's like a developer creating an amazing app and only letting it run on Eclair or earlier. It'll work on Eclair, but those earlier operating systems are clearly obsolete.
The Droid X will become obsolete when it reaches its EOL, which it may even be at already. There are phones with far better hardware, far better software, far more capabilities and far more manufacturer support that are going to come out. The Droid X will still work...sure...but it'll be obsolete because it doesn't compare to what's offered.
The D1 is only able to stick around because of the huge dev community. It'll get updates until the end of time. The G1 still gets new custom ROMs from devs. Surely you're not suggesting that the G1 is not obsolete?
TheOldFart
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Obsolete is when a product no longer works in today's environment. A model T is obsolete because you are not going to be able to safely drive in freeway traffic. A 1989 Porsche 911 Turbo is not obsolete. It will still blow the doors off most cars out there today. It certainly won't keep up with the most modern sports cars, but it is far from obsolete. An analog phone is obsolete. A Droid, rooted or not, is not.
by the way you've really gotta stop comparing PC's to mobile phones haha. There is a world of difference when new OS's come out 6 times a year as opposed to once every 5 years. Your 4 year old Vista laptop wasn't obsolete because Vista was the latest operating system for 4 or 5 years before 7 came out.
So video cassettes won't work in today's environment? My mom has a VCR and her tapes still work...but you're suggesting that VHS is not obsolete?
Cdjones187
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Like i said previously, with GB or even the latest custom builds of froyo, I can run at 600 mhz (stock froyo) and it runs like froyo use to run at 1.25ghz. The difference between a minor overclock (100-200 mhz) and a %225 overclock isn't much. Just creates more heat and lessens the life of your cpu.
Its the coding of the OS and applications that matter the most, look at iphone for instance. They are able to optimize the OS and apps for the hardware because they only make a few models and they are all the same. Android on the other hand will never see this same type of optimization. So there will ALWAYS be updates to applications no matter what version of android. Thats one reason all these new phones will be coming with froyo, and not GB (at first)
So I'm saying, specs really only matter a little. You could have a 1ghz tegra 2 dual core phone with 1gb of ram but if they OS code is crap than a 550mhz phone with 256mb ram on a optimized system will still run better.
No, I keep bringing up PC's because you act like not having the latest OS makes something obsolete. THIS IS NOT TRUE!!!
Froyo was a big deal with the bluetooth and flash, I'm unsure what real advantage Gingerbread is going to offer. But a phone is not obsolete until apps are no longer made and/or supported. And, truth be told, there are plenty of people who don't use bluetooth or flash. So obsolete is relative, but then obsolete really can't be relative. Just like my dual-core PC is not obsolete because quad-cores come out, it only becomes obsolete when something I need requires quad core.
The car example provided is a good one as well. A 10-yr old Toyota is not obsolete. While there are better, more advanced models out it still serves it's original function, as well as the current needs, just fine. Obsolete means little to no practical use, not just that something a little better is out there.
And Win7 was out about 2.5 years after Vista, but sure that's nitpicking. Nevertheless, it does not change the point that computer users usually only upgrade when buying a new system. You keep harping on the OS upgrades like it's some major hurdle, and the fact is not having the latest OS doesn't make your PC obsolete, not in the slightest, nor does it make your phone obsolete, certainly not Froyo vs. Gingerbread. A lot of good Android apps work just fine on 2.0. Was my old PC obsolete because it didn't have bluetooth? No, I could use a wired headset if need be - a few marginal upgrades don't equate to obsolescence. Granted, flash is a pretty big deal for those who use it but I really wouldn't miss it.
i dont get how the car example is a great example of why the droid isn't obselete, but my VHS example isn't a great example of why it is? Like I said my mom uses VHS, it has a lot of practical use to her, and she watches her old movies everyday. And I'm 100% confident that my mom isn't the only person in America who still owns a VCR and has VHS tapes lying around which they watch. Does that mean VHS isn't obsolete? Sounds like you're just picking what works for you...
when a company and a carrier no longer supports your phone, that's obsolescence. It's no longer financially viable for them to support that phone. It's no longer viable market-wise to continue to support that phone. And it's no longer viable staff wise to support that phone. Motorola doesn't want to deal with releasing a GB OTA on the Droid and then the hundreds (thousands?) of people who call in and complain because they don't know how to cut and paste. that doesn't mean the phone won't work, that it'll explode in my hands when it reaches EOL, it just means there's going to be nothing moving forward for it. it's hardware will be outdated, its software will be outdated, and it won't be officially supported by the manufacturer or the carrier (that doesn't mean they won't do service on your phone...it means no updates to keep it on pace with the current offerings). that's almost the very definition of obsolescence when it comes to technology. that's why windows 3.1 is obsolete, even though it still works. that's why VHS is obsolete even though they still work. that's why encylopedias are obsolete even though you can still open one and learn the same thing you can online...in two years, when the x is still stuck on gingerbread, it's still going to work just fine, it's still going to be a super fast, useful phone. but it's going to be obsolete simply because it's no longer going to be used widely and it's technology is no longer going to be current.
and yes, you absolutely are nitpicking. it doesn't matter if vista came out 2.5 or 5 years before windows 7. you can still go to dell with your vista pc and they'll support it. you can still buy extended support warranties for vista computers, you can still buy vista pcs in stores or online from official merchants. you can't do that with android eclair, because it's an obsolete OS. there are probably millions of phones that still run eclair that doesn't mean they're not running an obsolete OS. comparing PC's to mobile phones makes zero sense no matter how much you want it to, man...
people want to convince themselves that having 256MB of RAM and a 550MHz processor isnt obsolete because their phone works just fine. The truth of the matter is, D1 official support is dead, it's long reached it's EOL, and there are plenty of phones that are far better than it out there. For me I see no reason to switch from my D1, because I have it rooted and overclocked. But that's not the case with everyone, nor would I try to argue that it is.
software interacts with hardware, and they have to be optimized to work correctly together yes. but if i have an optimized system with 1GHz of RAM, and an optimized system with 256MB of ram, the 1GHz is going to be faster, more efficient and more responsive. That's not even an argument. Clock speeds are not placebo. There is a clear, and calculable difference between 256MB of RAM and 1GHz...
If a DX runs Froyo, it's going to be more responsive than a stock D1 running froyo. You can prove that at any Verizon store...
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Maybe it is a plague? Think of it, android holds back everything to release 9 months at a time to appease consumers...while the competition runs wild superseding every first release? Really? The only people I know (including me) that get mad, is when I buy something and tomorrow it is half off!? Other than that, bring the noise!
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