A Plan For A Brighter Android Future

[aristoid]

@aristoid
Interesting philosophy. Would be awesome. There still would be overhead for some type of training or accreditation to be worthy of support staff. Plus you have to be professional and what not... Interesting idea though, I like where you are going with it.

{{ WugFresh }}

Agreed, but after approval, the operating cost would be almost self sustaining instead of people on payroll. That would allow a higher yield in profit after startup. Similar to my past usage of the same phone for five years - there was no hardware cost to VZN - more profit for them!

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[13th angel]

Agreed. There is no way to do a trial with a ROM though in reality. So I guess it would have to be donation based. But how about this idea.

A ROM rating system, and the ROMs that get top vote per week, month... whatever. Could win a prize by VZN.. Where they will be featured in a commercial, and the ROM will be sold on their site. It would be exposure, PLUS money, plus traffic to their site. Great all around. Plus incentive for devs to work harder.

{{ WugFresh }}

Good except for one thing, why would someone go buy it when they can get it free? (why the droiddream thing worked so well...) It would still need to be donation based even on the VZW site. The advertising would be good though.

True. Once in circulation.. always in circulation. Ok. So the dev gets a cash prize. I think that a capital investment in the beginning for cash prizes for devs, would cause a huge boom in development and the benefits would far outweigh the costs. And a featured dev on commercials would really be cool. Think about how many LEGIT iPhone app devs are out there, who would see this open source android thing going down and hop on board. This world is not short of developers... there are alot out there.

{{ WugFresh }}

I wouldnt even go as big as a cash prize, maybe just a certain percentage off their bill for the month or something. The only problem i see is that there would have to be some type of regulation so that people dont get kanged and their work when but they dont get the reward.

+1 on lots of developers. I didnt realize how many their were until i got on the beta team and saw the list of everyone on the beta team (which still isnt complete because it hasnt been updated in a while).

 

[WugFresh]

Good except for one thing, why would someone go buy it when they can get it free? (why the droiddream thing worked so well...) It would still need to be donation based even on the VZW site. The advertising would be good though.

True. Once in circulation.. always in circulation. Ok. So the dev gets a cash prize. I think that a capital investment in the beginning for cash prizes for devs, would cause a huge boom in development and the benefits would far outweigh the costs. And a featured dev on commercials would really be cool. Think about how many LEGIT iPhone app devs are out there, who would see this open source android thing going down and hop on board. This world is not short of developers... there are alot out there.

{{ WugFresh }}

I wouldnt even go as big as a cash prize, maybe just a certain percentage off their bill for the month or something. The only problem i see is that there would have to be some type of regulation so that people dont get kanged and their work when but they dont get the reward.

+1 on lots of developers. I didnt realize how many their were until i got on the beta team and saw the list of everyone on the beta team (which still isnt complete because it hasnt been updated in a while).

Agreed... the Kang factor always get's ya... lol.

There are lots of devs. It's great. I am not on any teams.. I am to much of a free radical supposedly. lol. Team Wug FTW!

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[13th angel]

There are lots of devs. It's great. I am not on any teams.. I am to much of a free radical supposedly. lol. Team Wug FTW!

{{ WugFresh }}

Lol Im on Team GRD from helping troubleshoot/bug testing. Im just now learning how to build and am starting on an aosp rom for d2g. You dont have to be on a team to dev though which is nice. Really, there arent any benefits from being on the beta team other than the guide or two in our subforum and the blue name.

 

[WugFresh]

There are lots of devs. It's great. I am not on any teams.. I am to much of a free radical supposedly. lol. Team Wug FTW!

{{ WugFresh }}

Lol Im on Team GRD from helping troubleshoot/bug testing. Im just now learning how to build and am starting on an aosp rom for d2g. You dont have to be on a team to dev though which is nice. Really, there arent any benefits from being on the beta team other than the guide or two in our subforum and the blue name.

I know.. lol. I was on RS on DXF for like 20 days... Green name. Now back to black name. lol. I still help people.. lol.

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[Cloud36426]

I still think that it would be much more attractive to VZW for rooted users to not have any support from VZW. There would not have to be any training for support then cutting out that much more overhead from your plan. People could seek their own support. We want to show that this community can be responsible and self sufficient. Just my .02
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[WugFresh]

I still think that it would be much more attractive to VZW for rooted users to not have any support from VZW. There would not have to be any training for support then cutting out that much more overhead from your plan. People could seek their own support. We want to show that this community can be responsible and self sufficient. Just my .02
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It would cut out tremendous amounts of overhead... but would customers be cool with it...? Idk.. Ideally that would be the plan.

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[Cloud36426]

I still think that it would be much more attractive to VZW for rooted users to not have any support from VZW. There would not have to be any training for support then cutting out that much more overhead from your plan. People could seek their own support. We want to show that this community can be responsible and self sufficient. Just my .02
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It would cut out tremendous amounts of overhead... but would customers be cool with it...? Idk.. Ideally that would be the plan.

{{ WugFresh }}

Well as of now we really can't call VZW and say I'm stuck in a bootloop help. We go to the community. We all know this now and have no problem with it. TOS can dictate that. I knew that before rooting and still choose to root. There is going to be those that complain and try to "beat the system" no matter what.

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[czerdrill]

I still think that it would be much more attractive to VZW for rooted users to not have any support from VZW. There would not have to be any training for support then cutting out that much more overhead from your plan. People could seek their own support. We want to show that this community can be responsible and self sufficient. Just my .02
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It would cut out tremendous amounts of overhead... but would customers be cool with it...? Idk.. Ideally that would be the plan.

{{ WugFresh }}

Yeah, the whole plan is idealized. You're assuming all the stars will align, and non-saavy users who would normally call Verizon because they can't figure out how to use their phone, are suddenly going to become self sufficient when it comes to rooting.... BTW, Wug, I don't want your thread to be closed so I'll speak to you on PM. You obviously put a lot of thought into this, and this is your thread, so I will stop with the back in forth in here. If you want to respond in PM that's up to you.

 

[Natey2]

It's pseudo, not sudo.

Now there's an idea.
On a number of Linux systems, I don't have root acces, but I can use sudo to run applications with root privilege. Why can't Android implement something similar?

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[Detonation]

I read the OP but haven't read all the discussion here. But I will just say this...it's never going to happen. I know you want to turn the small 1% of us rooters into a larger group, but its an uphill battle with both the carriers and consumers for that. I've met a lot of friends and people with Droids, and when I show them my rooted phone they think its cool, but when I ask them if they'd like to me to help them do it to theirs, they always say no thanks. The 1% is only 1% because people don't care...they are not tech saavy and don't want to be...they just want something out of the box that works. This is why Apple is so successful. Trying to market it this just wouldn't work.

 

[czerdrill]

It's pseudo, not sudo.

Now there's an idea.
On a number of Linux systems, I don't have root acces, but I can use sudo to run applications with root privilege. Why can't Android implement something similar?

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If you run sudo you have root access....i don't understand this post. Sudo requires the root password, and if you have that you can log out of the current user and log in as root

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[czerdrill]

I read the OP but haven't read all the discussion here. But I will just say this...it's never going to happen. I know you want to turn the small 1% of us rooters into a larger group, but its an uphill battle with both the carriers and consumers for that. I've met a lot of friends and people with Droids, and when I show them my rooted phone they think its cool, but when I ask them if they'd like to me to help them do it to theirs, they always say no thanks. The 1% is only 1% because people don't care...they are not tech saavy and don't want to be...they just want something out of the box that works. This is why Apple is so successful. Trying to market it this just wouldn't work.

Wow, someone else who gets it. My faith in humanity is restored

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[P3Droid]

I read the OP but haven't read all the discussion here. But I will just say this...it's never going to happen. I know you want to turn the small 1% of us rooters into a larger group, but its an uphill battle with both the carriers and consumers for that. I've met a lot of friends and people with Droids, and when I show them my rooted phone they think its cool, but when I ask them if they'd like to me to help them do it to theirs, they always say no thanks. The 1% is only 1% because people don't care...they are not tech saavy and don't want to be...they just want something out of the box that works. This is why Apple is so successful. Trying to market it this just wouldn't work.

This is where you are all wrong the number far surpasses 1%, and one of the main problems of all posting is that you keep assuming that this is a problem unique to Android and Verizon, but this is a multi-carrier (ATT/TMO/Verizon and some smaller carriers) approach. Stop focusing on one carrier and think bigger and broader.

 

[czerdrill]

I read the OP but haven't read all the discussion here. But I will just say this...it's never going to happen. I know you want to turn the small 1% of us rooters into a larger group, but its an uphill battle with both the carriers and consumers for that. I've met a lot of friends and people with Droids, and when I show them my rooted phone they think its cool, but when I ask them if they'd like to me to help them do it to theirs, they always say no thanks. The 1% is only 1% because people don't care...they are not tech saavy and don't want to be...they just want something out of the box that works. This is why Apple is so successful. Trying to market it this just wouldn't work.

This is where you are all wrong the number far surpasses 1%, and one of the main problems of all posting is that you keep assuming that this is a problem unique to Android and Verizon, but this is a multi-carrier (ATT/TMO/Verizon and some smaller carriers) approach. Stop focusing on one carrier and think bigger and broader.

it doesn't matter if it's a multi-carrier thing. The 1% is all of android users, not 1% of android users on verizon. i believe someone told me that you think 30-60% of android users are rooted (if you dont think that feel free to correct me). is that a joke? you're suggesting that there's almost 20M people out there that are rooted? seriously? there's probably 300,000 registered users combined on all the android forums on the internet, and your saying there are like 19 million lurkers, who just know how to root, have no questions, and have never registered an account with an android forum? lol...