The End Of Burner Phones

[FoxKat]

Jan 1 the same type of law went into effect here in Thailand. When you buy a phone, the selling agent will require your Gov ID or passport in order to activate the phone.
By May 1st, the carriers have been instructed to block and or brick any phone on their network that is not registered. Problem solved..

So we will have people doing straw purchases of phones for criminals like they do guns now. Theft of active "registered" phones will increase. Let's just push criminals further under ground, implicate more people and motivate criminals to conspire with otherwise law abiding citizens (i.e. girlfriends), and make it not only harder to find them but make more illegal activity in the process.

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[chevycam94]

That's lunacy. I don't know how someone can say that and keep a straight face.

Because I'm not paranoid. You trying to hid that ultra private photo of your grandma in a bathing suit? Or that text to your friend at 3am asking for dating advice? What of someone found out you were playing Angry Birds? *gasp* Seriously, relax. This whole thing is getting out of control.

 

[chevycam94]

So we will have people doing straw purchases of phones for criminals like they do guns now. Theft of active "registered" phones will increase. Let's just push criminals further under ground, implicate more people and motivate criminals to conspire with otherwise law abiding citizens (i.e. girlfriends), and make it not only harder to find them but make more illegal activity in the process.

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If you were a law abiding citizen, with any common sense, you wouldn't help someone like that. If you want to get yourself in trouble too, that's on you. Don't be stupid. Use your head.

 

[FoxKat]

I'm not saying that most people will do this but the criminals tend to be very persuasive (sometimes physically), with those close to them and will make them do things they wouldn't otherwise do. What I'm saying is this won't stop the use of cell phones by criminals. It will just make the web of deceit even more difficult to unwind, and the collateral damage even greater.

It's the same with gun and drug trafficking. The more underground we allow governments to push such activity the worse it gets, the more violence it breeds and at the same time it doesn't solve the problem.

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[liftedplane]

Because I'm not paranoid. You trying to hid that ultra private photo of your grandma in a bathing suit? Or that text to your friend at 3am asking for dating advice? What of someone found out you were playing Angry Birds? *gasp* Seriously, relax. This whole thing is getting out of control.

PARANOID HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!! Your inane little quip regarding dating advice aside I don't care if I'm talking about my secret recipe for rice Krispy treats, no one, I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, NOT EVEN THE GOVERNMENT, has the right to look at my personal conversations under the guise of national security. It's complete and utter malarkey and just saying "oh well they're keeping us safe" isn't helping. How are you gonna feel when safe means inside at 9pm and you can't come out until 6am because you "might" be a criminal. I mean, you aren't but the only way to keep everyone safe from them turrurists is to keep everyone indoors at night. Amirite?

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[94lt1]

I'm glad the government is so far ahead...yeah right. Burner phones are only a small percentage of how underground business is handled..fake Facebook accounts and other similar uses of social media have taken over the burner phone. And you don't have to buy a different device to be able to do it...but truthfully.. The government needs to butt out..this micro management of our lives is a bunch of crap...

 

[primal100]

Doesn't matter. Cheap smartphone with voip over wifi + VPN = not even nsa will find you.

Amazing how people think a VPN protects them. The first thing you hand over is your credit card details. Can't get a better identifier than them. You'd have to be sure the NSA have no way to get information from the VPN company...impossible to guarantee

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[tech_head]

Offshore VPN. But if you are emailing you just use a dummy account and share the login details. You then just compose and leave I in drafts. It never leaves and unless someone knows it secure.

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[FoxKat]

Offshore VPN. But if you are emailing you just use a dummy account and share the login details. You then just compose and leave I in drafts. It never leaves and unless someone knows it secure.

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This is absolutely right and just another example of "necessity is the mother of invention". Nothing the govt can do short of what liftedplane said is going to keep things completely under control, but then we're living in a police state. Freedom out the window, but we will be safe? I'll take freedom over safety if that's what they're calling safe.

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[cr6]

The gov't is counting on the overwhelming majority of the American public being naive with this false belief of, "it doesn't matter if you're a law abiding citizen and have nothing to hide" BS. It's quite sad actually.

S5 tap'n

 

[xeene]

Amazing how people think a VPN protects them. The first thing you hand over is your credit card details. Can't get a better identifier than them. You'd have to be sure the NSA have no way to get information from the VPN company...impossible to guarantee

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Russian VPN provider. You think they will collaborate with nsa?

Benefits of being multilingual

 

[tech_head]

There are plenty legit VPN providers. If they are truly pass through and offshore then the government is stuck anyway. Do people think the smart criminals aren't doing this already?

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[mugz91]

I happen to agree with Benjamin Franklin on this one:
" Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. "

 

[tech_head]

I happen to agree with Benjamin Franklin on this one:
" Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. "

I agree. In a free society there are risks.

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[mountainbikermark]

If you were a law abiding citizen, with any common sense, you wouldn't help someone like that. If you want to get yourself in trouble too, that's on you. Don't be stupid. Use your head.

You don't get out in public much do you? Common sense? There are millions of Americans walking around with none of that, law abiding or not. There are also those living in fear of what will happen to them or a loved one should they stand up to the ones demanding they break the law for them.
I'd also suggest you look at history of how evil comes into power. It's more often than not by the will of the downtrodden, the uneducated and in some cases the will of the masses under the guise that it'll make a utopian society. What is deemed legal today could very well become illegal tomorrow. Prohibition being just 1 example in U.S.history but there are numerous examples in world history as well as present where something as simple as speaking against something we here in the U.S. take for granted can result in torture or death. Think of the implications of a private firm just did the work for a U.S.government agency when another private firm said no to the U.S. government. In this case it was for the greater good but in the future it can now be used illicitly , with or without the will of the people. The economic collapse that began just a decade ago was an example of certain private entities working in conjunction with the U.S. government. Though that wasn't about privacy the effect it had, and still has, on the United States citizens will take decades to overcome, if ever.

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