Report: Verizon Has Been Turning Over Call Logs for All of their Customers to the NSA

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Metadata is just another term for "broad interpretation". Meaning...your privacy is screwed no matter what you say to someone. Same thing is (has been) happening to the Constitution of the US. I'm looking at you, Our Government.
 

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Currently the NSA is collecting call meta-data. Meta-data include the originating phone number ESN (serial number), date/time, GPS coordinates when the call was placed, the duration, and the call and the destination phone number. Meta-data does NOT include personally identifiable information. In fact, The Supreme Court has ruled in the past that meta-data is not personally identifiable, and therefore a warrant/subpoena is not required. If the NSA wants personal information they must submit a warrant to the carrier, which still requires probable cause.
Whether "legal" or not, it's still BS
 

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US Constitution, The Bill of Rights, Amendment IV:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

This protects us against warrantless searches. However, a Federal Judge signed the NSA request for the warrant.

The Patriot Act was created to strengthen domestic security and prevent terrorism.
This seizure was gained via the PA.

Every TELCO receiving such a subpoena MUST comply,The National Security Agency attained Verizon's customer's phone records via Section 215 of the Patriot Act.

Have other TELCOs been served? Safe to bet yes.

Blaming Verizon is silly. If our current communication providers fail or go broke, don't be surprised if the government may try to create a national communication center. Then they could control everything, including pricing, taxing, and reading your mail.
This administration is out of control. Remember when they tried to pass the MOBILE PHONE UNLOCKING BIll. We fought that here in these forums several months ago.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson


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Thought You Should Know - Echelon spy in the sky has been doing it for years...

They monitor every single communication coming in and going out of the US .. mostly based on keywords like bomb, explosive, etc..

This is run by the National Security Agency (NSA)
 

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This protects us against warrantless searches. However, a Federal Judge signed the NSA request for the warrant.

The Patriot Act was created to strengthen domestic security and prevent terrorism.
This seizure was gained via the PA.

I get where you're coming from, but to be clear this order is NOT a warrant, therefore doesn't have the same rules as a warrant. A warrant is a very targeted document with a very specific scope. This is an order. Since all of the data being collected is not personally identifiable the Supreme Court ruled that it didn't require a warrant.

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No one collects more data than Google.. I do believe it.. Google Now with your cards and emails.. Deliveries.. Wonder why those sneaker ads show up when you browsing a site.. Motorola upcoming X whatever phone will have new technology to track your every move...

Noted 2x~4 beta

Anyone remember a certain ios update to remove a certain tracing programthat was implemented without owner knowledge or ability to opt out, a couple of years back?

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Show me in the constitution/bill of rights where you have the right to privacy? Feel free to use the 1776 version if you like. I agree that there are a lot of things we have given up, but the right to privacy was never a right. There is the right to unlawful search and seizure, that's about it in this neighborhood.


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Right to privacy is usually litigated from the perspective of the 4th amendment against unreasonable search and seizure as you wrote. It is a common belief and practice that that is where our right to privacy is granted.
(Soap box rant) This is an area where technology has so far surpassed the availability and even imagination of the founding fathers, it needs to be addressed in today's congress. Sadly every attempt to do so has been so mired in political corruption it seems hopeless that a true definition of electronic privacy will ever be adopted and corrupt politicians will only use it to increase their grasp for more power. The laws made yesterday only help the politicians of today and the laws of today will only help the next generation of corrupt politicians that we the people elect into office. (Coming down from soap box)


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Perspective: Most everyone here voluntarily gives up tons more information to Bing/Google voluntarily than the govt. could ever collect. Specifically, Google know what your favorite foods are, what kind of movies you like, your physical location, what kind of browser you use, what your hobbies are, even what kind of porn you fancy. Google, for example sets a cookie that typically doesn't expire for at least 2 years (I have seen upwards of 12 years). This cookie also has a traceable GUID that is used to trace you online.
This is true. I woke up this morning, my breakfast that I eat every morning was on the table, my dogs were fed AND walked, DF's was open on my laptop, and a fresh pot of coffee was on the counter. Compliments of who? You guessed it........Google
 

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Right to privacy is usually litigated from the perspective of the 4th amendment against unreasonable search and seizure as you wrote. It is a common belief and practice that that is where our right to privacy is granted.
(Soap box rant) This is an area where technology has so far surpassed the availability and even imagination of the founding fathers, it needs to be addressed in today's congress. Sadly every attempt to do so has been so mired in political corruption it seems hopeless that a true definition of electronic privacy will ever be adopted and corrupt politicians will only use it to increase their grasp for more power. The laws made yesterday only help the politicians of today and the laws of today will only help the next generation of corrupt politicians that we the people elect into office. (Coming down from soap box)


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I believe that this in it's own wouldn't be as big a deal, but in conjunction with other recent news and the fear of what we don't know about yet makes it all the worse.
 

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I doubt this country of ours will ever turn communist but I would not rule out the possibility of it turning fascist. We already get stripped searched in airports, our bank account activity is monitored, and now this.
 

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It's long past the time to get back to a government of the people by the people for the people. This will never happen without "transparency"
 

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The only way to opt out is to get rid of your cell phone, and stop using it. It does occur on all carriers. This isn't like opting out of a drawing for a BBQ grill. This is the US Govt serving Verizon and other carriers with orders to not only provide the data, but never talk about it. If they violate either they can be criminally charged.

Lastly , this has been happening for years. If you want to send angry emails send them to your Senate/Congress, not VZW.

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If you want out, you need to do more than give up your cell phone. Don't step outside your house or drive, since there are surveillance/security/red light cameras that can pick you up, don't use banks since every dollar you deposit or withdraw can be tracked, don't use credit or debit cards.
 
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