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Batman v Superman spoiler talk
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Saw it last night..it started odd and kinda came together.. I have to admit..aflek pulled off a tolerable Batman performance.. The fighting scenes were alot like the fighting in the arkham games..so..I think it was done pretty well..one complaint was the batsuit..it just kinda seemed like cloth...it stopped a bullet to the brain..so obviously was more than just that... We all have our take on what it should look like..I think a tad more like armor..but not so much like the last few movies...if that makes sense..but that's just being nit picky...
My girl and I went to see the first showing on Thursday night. She's a huge Batman fan, but I've never really been into the heroes-type movies.
We were both disappointed, in both, Affleck's performance and the final Bat-suit. It reminded her of RoboCop.
We were both disappointed, in both, Affleck's performance and the final Bat-suit. It reminded her of RoboCop.
This is by far the best batman we have seen on screen yet. Ben Affleck's batman is what we wanted to see in batman. I also liked seeing the Batman superman fight. This movie is one of those movies that were full of easter eggs, in fact too many easter eggs. I understand the movie came out easter weekend but making a movie full of easter eggs takes a vast majority of people out of it. The other issue I had was batman actually murdering people. Look I am not going to say he "has to save them (reference to Batman Begins)" but there is one thing to not save someone and another thing to straight up murder multiple people.
Lex Luthor was poorly cast, Jessie Eisenberg would have made a great riddler but really angered me by his betrayal of Lex. Lex is suppose to be this rich genius who finds away to slither out of trouble while causing a headache for superman.
If you are a Superman fan I think you may end up walking out pissed and I would not blame you as Zack Snyder took a wiz on both Doomsday and Lex Luthor (2 iconic characters in the Superman universe).
If you are a Batman fan you have to feel excited about finally getting a good fit for both Batman/Bruce Wayne but disappointed about the moral compass. Not using guns and killing people have been what separated Batman from characters like the Punisher. Between Superman snapping necks and Batman killing people I am not liking the direction Zack Snyder has taken these iconic heroes.
At the end of the day I overall liked the movie but have to admit there were some letdowns. Between the sloppy editing, the poor writing for Superman, the reason for the conflict between BvS, and Lex Luthor, I can not blame people from walking out disappointed. Especially being that WB literally showed the entire movie in the trailers.
I had this pegged as the best movie of 2016 and now I think that WB needs to take the reigns from Zac Snyder because he right now is literally taking the excitement that was with the Nolan movies and literally letting the air out. WB still have time to right the ship as we have a awesome Batman in Affleck as well as a strong cast of character both with villains and heroes. For a movie I looked forward to since it was first announced, I feel like the people at WB are trying so hard to catch up to be like Marvel that they are losing what made them special and that is their iconic characters. And right now they are literally destroying the advantage (shooting themselves in the foot).
Lex Luthor was poorly cast, Jessie Eisenberg would have made a great riddler but really angered me by his betrayal of Lex. Lex is suppose to be this rich genius who finds away to slither out of trouble while causing a headache for superman.
If you are a Superman fan I think you may end up walking out pissed and I would not blame you as Zack Snyder took a wiz on both Doomsday and Lex Luthor (2 iconic characters in the Superman universe).
If you are a Batman fan you have to feel excited about finally getting a good fit for both Batman/Bruce Wayne but disappointed about the moral compass. Not using guns and killing people have been what separated Batman from characters like the Punisher. Between Superman snapping necks and Batman killing people I am not liking the direction Zack Snyder has taken these iconic heroes.
At the end of the day I overall liked the movie but have to admit there were some letdowns. Between the sloppy editing, the poor writing for Superman, the reason for the conflict between BvS, and Lex Luthor, I can not blame people from walking out disappointed. Especially being that WB literally showed the entire movie in the trailers.
I had this pegged as the best movie of 2016 and now I think that WB needs to take the reigns from Zac Snyder because he right now is literally taking the excitement that was with the Nolan movies and literally letting the air out. WB still have time to right the ship as we have a awesome Batman in Affleck as well as a strong cast of character both with villains and heroes. For a movie I looked forward to since it was first announced, I feel like the people at WB are trying so hard to catch up to be like Marvel that they are losing what made them special and that is their iconic characters. And right now they are literally destroying the advantage (shooting themselves in the foot).
Its not Batman like to be uncalculated. He's a thinking man's thinker.. And for him to go off half ripped like that isn't the bat...thats why we're having a hard time with it..a person lacking self control would be easy for poison ivy to control.. This Batman was more a rage-a-holic than the controlled bat we're used to...My girl and I went to see the first showing on Thursday night. She's a huge Batman fan, but I've never really been into the heroes-type movies.
We were both disappointed, in both, Affleck's performance and the final Bat-suit. It reminded her of RoboCop.
As far as lex..they did an OK job but needed to see why he was so obsessed with Superman..
The bat costume for the fight with Superman was straight out of the comics and I don't even like the comics...
His gray costume...all these different ears and heads and cowls ..you'd think if his cowl could stop a knife..his body armor çould..
I did love his training.I liked his fighting style.. It was kenpo and shorin ryu with some other style...his cape was a weakness..as i thought it would be..but I liked what they showed..alot more than other films..but...he should've been more powerful.. This is the biggest Batman yet...if I were Batman..I promise..I have martial arts behind me..and lots of.power and mma...one hit ko's would be easy... They should've considered that..
Part of the rage was because he lost Robin and then he lost a bunch of people in the Superman vs Zod fight. Something poorly portrayed by the poor writing and directing.Its not Batman like to be uncalculated. He's a thinking man's thinker.. And for him to go off half ripped like that isn't the bat...thats why we're having a hard time with it..a person lacking self control would be easy for poison ivy to control.. This Batman was more a rage-a-holic than the controlled bat we're used to...
As far as lex..they did an OK job but needed to see why he was so obsessed with Superman..
The bat costume for the fight with Superman was straight out of the comics and I don't even like the comics...
His gray costume...all these different ears and heads and cowls ..you'd think if his cowl could stop a knife..his body armor çould..
I did love his training.I liked his fighting style.. It was kenpo and shorin ryu with some other style...his cape was a weakness..as i thought it would be..but I liked what they showed..alot more than other films..but...he should've been more powerful.. This is the biggest Batman yet...if I were Batman..I promise..I have martial arts behind me..and lots of.power and mma...one hit ko's would be easy... They should've considered that..
This movie should have focused more on the conflict between Batman and Superman. I mean the story writes itself. Batman doesn't trust people and is willing to go as close to the edge, without killing, to get information (even closer after the loss of a friend) Superman believes in doing it the right way.
They were trying to show a more rage fueled Batman that ended up returning closer to the brink of sanity based on his interactions with Superman. Unfortunately poor writing got in the way of this so about time you got to the end people didn't care. That ending (not going to spoil it here) should have affected everyone in the theater emotionally, including Batman fans. But when you have sloppy writing, poor story (especially for the Superman character), and lack of confidence by showing too much in the trailers, you get what we have now. I mean it's Batman vs Superman no trailer other than the first trailer was needed. Maybe have pictures of Batman emblem and Superman emblem. But people are going to see it. And if the story is good word of mouth will get people in the theaters. This was done with guardians of the Galaxy and dead pool.
Zack Snyder really needs to at least take second string to a better director. He spent too much time trying to make a movie for comic geeks that he alienated the core audience. Nolan's Batman universe was not perfect and it was just as dark as what Snyder wanted to be in his universe. But when people walked out of the movies, especially the Dark Knight, people applauded despite it taking a deviation from the story arc of the comics.
I really was hoping they found away to capture the iconic Superman we loved and put him against an angry Batman from the Dark Knight comics and it resulted in a movie that both Batman and Superman fans would have loved.
What made the World's Finest stick out was how both Batman and Superman went from not trusting each other to eventually becoming good friends even though they are 2 different sides of the same coin, where Batman trusts no one not even his eventual friends in the Justice league, and Superman was truly a boys scout who believed in truth and justice.
Batman being three to four steps ahead of his opponent is what made him a valuable member of the league despite his lack of powers. And Superman was "the big gun". Combined they make a great team. But even better us how they represent their cities. Gotham is dark and grimy while metropolis is clean and upscale. Metropolis would not put up with Batman in as Superman being too trusting would find himself losing to the darkness of the criminals of Gotham, something that portrayed itself in Justice Gods.
I still do not know how WB managed to trip over themselves like this. Someone should have pulled Snyder aside along time ago and paired him with a good story teller. Someone who could tell a story to go with what Snyder is able to do with action. But also to reign Snyder in as he learned nothing from the backlash he got from The Man of Steel movie.
So much potential and it is right there. I think that is what drove fans nuts about the movie.
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He lost Robin to the joker. So unrelated to this ..I can see it adding to the rage..but in all of the Batman comics..didn't he lose a few Robin's?? And in the killing joke batgirl was paralyzed... I'm gathering bits and pieces ..as I said ..I'm nit a huge conic book fan..hasn't prevented me from being a fan but it's left blanks I needed to fill in..,
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Explains why Lex Luthor was going crazy.
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Now that it has been a week and a half and given the drop off, Im thinking everyone who wanted to see it has already.
With that said there are a few things that got to me.
1) I understand Batman is disturbed but the level of killing by batman strays far from the character. I understand that they had to set up a batman that had it in him to kill superman. But what separates batman from the villains was that he did not cross that line.
2) This should have been a 2 part movie. I know people hate that but they were too much in a rush to chase marvel. They needed to set up Superman eventually becoming Metropolis' favorite son. As well as show why Batman lost his mind. This could have been set up by a solo batman and a superman sequel. Then BVS should have been about batman and superman's conflict, which was talked about in the movie only to be shoe horned at the end by Lex's plot. Superman feels like Batman acts like a criminal and goes too far, and Batman do not trust Superman.
3) Batman should have been the one to discover the JL.
4) I actually understood that doomsday was a deformity so understood why he looked deformed (vs the doomsday we know) but those energy blasts seemed way off the cuff.
At the end of the day Zack Snyder has the visuals but can not tell a story. We saw that with MOS and now BVS. DC needs to stop chasing Marvel and concentrate on building their universe. It is not like DC is unable to do so because we saw that they manage to find away to do it with their last Batman franchise as well as their animated universe. I hope WB and DC listen to the critiques and take the time to build on the universe.
With that said there are a few things that got to me.
1) I understand Batman is disturbed but the level of killing by batman strays far from the character. I understand that they had to set up a batman that had it in him to kill superman. But what separates batman from the villains was that he did not cross that line.
2) This should have been a 2 part movie. I know people hate that but they were too much in a rush to chase marvel. They needed to set up Superman eventually becoming Metropolis' favorite son. As well as show why Batman lost his mind. This could have been set up by a solo batman and a superman sequel. Then BVS should have been about batman and superman's conflict, which was talked about in the movie only to be shoe horned at the end by Lex's plot. Superman feels like Batman acts like a criminal and goes too far, and Batman do not trust Superman.
3) Batman should have been the one to discover the JL.
4) I actually understood that doomsday was a deformity so understood why he looked deformed (vs the doomsday we know) but those energy blasts seemed way off the cuff.
At the end of the day Zack Snyder has the visuals but can not tell a story. We saw that with MOS and now BVS. DC needs to stop chasing Marvel and concentrate on building their universe. It is not like DC is unable to do so because we saw that they manage to find away to do it with their last Batman franchise as well as their animated universe. I hope WB and DC listen to the critiques and take the time to build on the universe.
I have never read a comic. Not Batman, not Superman. I did not see Man of Steel. The wife and I saw BvS this weekend.
As I said above in the bold, I liked the movie. I liked Affleck as Batman. He worked for me.
Probably the hardest thing for me for the first half or so of the movie was to remember that this is technically a different "universe" than the previous 3 Batman movies. This is an older Batman, but not an older version of the Christian Bale Batman. Took me a while to get over that, but I still liked what they did with the character.
I can't say that this movie has made me REALLY want to see JL or any other movies in the DC Universe enough to say I can't wait for them, but I did enjoy it and I will likely see the others. I'm particularly interested in Aquaman, though, again, I've never read the comic or anything.
Now that it has been a week and a half and given the drop off, Im thinking everyone who wanted to see it has already.
With that said there are a few things that got to me.
1) I understand Batman is disturbed but the level of killing by batman strays far from the character. I understand that they had to set up a batman that had it in him to kill superman. But what separates batman from the villains was that he did not cross that line. I disagree here. It's not like he was going around killing anyone and everyone who stood in his way/etc. Sure, the draw of Batman has been that he's not a killer, but that, to me, was young Batman. This is older Batman. After 20 years of not killing people and seeing the same stuff happen over and over, possibly even by the same villains, I believe I would be a little less forgiving as well.
2) This should have been a 2 part movie. I know people hate that but they were too much in a rush to chase marvel. They needed to set up Superman eventually becoming Metropolis' favorite son. As well as show why Batman lost his mind. This could have been set up by a solo batman and a superman sequel. Then BVS should have been about batman and superman's conflict, which was talked about in the movie only to be shoe horned at the end by Lex's plot. Superman feels like Batman acts like a criminal and goes too far, and Batman do not trust Superman. This, I can't argue with at all. Like I said, I haven't seen MoS. I feel like that maybe would have helped me a little bit, but I completely agree that they shoved a bit much into this movie. A LARGE chunk of it was dedicated to the setup of the feud between the 2 heroes, then we get like maybe 5 minutes of them fighting, then they're buddies. While I enjoyed the movie and the performances overall, I can't help but feel like there could have been a better way to do this. I think you hit the nail on the head about them chasing Marvel. As I think back on this movie, it feels like they were rushing too hard and fast to setup for Justice League.
3) Batman should have been the one to discover the JL. ? I'm not sure what you mean here? He gave Wonder Woman the files where she saw the Flash and Aquaman and such, didn't he? Or did I miss something? He's also the one who made the nice little speech about how they're going to have to work together.
4) I actually understood that doomsday was a deformity so understood why he looked deformed (vs the doomsday we know) but those energy blasts seemed way off the cuff. Again, I've got no real history to speak on here. I've heard of Doomsday and realized that's who he was, but I have no other knowledge of the character.
At the end of the day Zack Snyder has the visuals but can not tell a story. We saw that with MOS and now BVS. DC needs to stop chasing Marvel and concentrate on building their universe. It is not like DC is unable to do so because we saw that they manage to find away to do it with their last Batman franchise as well as their animated universe. I hope WB and DC listen to the critiques and take the time to build on the universe.
As I said above in the bold, I liked the movie. I liked Affleck as Batman. He worked for me.
Probably the hardest thing for me for the first half or so of the movie was to remember that this is technically a different "universe" than the previous 3 Batman movies. This is an older Batman, but not an older version of the Christian Bale Batman. Took me a while to get over that, but I still liked what they did with the character.
I can't say that this movie has made me REALLY want to see JL or any other movies in the DC Universe enough to say I can't wait for them, but I did enjoy it and I will likely see the others. I'm particularly interested in Aquaman, though, again, I've never read the comic or anything.
I have never read a comic. Not Batman, not Superman. I did not see Man of Steel. The wife and I saw BvS this weekend.
As I said above in the bold, I liked the movie. I liked Affleck as Batman. He worked for me.
Probably the hardest thing for me for the first half or so of the movie was to remember that this is technically a different "universe" than the previous 3 Batman movies. This is an older Batman, but not an older version of the Christian Bale Batman. Took me a while to get over that, but I still liked what they did with the character.
I can't say that this movie has made me REALLY want to see JL or any other movies in the DC Universe enough to say I can't wait for them, but I did enjoy it and I will likely see the others. I'm particularly interested in Aquaman, though, again, I've never read the comic or anything.
Nice point. And I never read the comics but have kept up with the animated universe (cartoons and animated movies).
My response to your answer to 3) is that Lex Luthur discovered the metahumans. I would have liked to see Batman have done that but that is a minor nitpick.
Other than that overall I still feel it was a good movie but had to point out my critiques.
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