Verizon blocking websites with tethering

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    Hey all, just want to know if anyone is experiencing same problem I am having. I am running an LG Revolution 4g that is rooted and running Wifi Tether v3 b2.

    I have been blocked already with the native tethering app and have since been using the Wifi Tether app. Up until a day or two ago, everything was working fine. However, now I am seeing that I can't access a lot of websites on my computer that I used to have no problem with. It seems it is only default first pages, login pages or pages with media that i can not get to. If i know the URL to a page deeper within the site, I can access it.

    My iPhones, which I tether to the LG also have problems getting certain information on apps. Such as images in the AP Mobile app and video as well.

    Anyone else having similar issues? I also have the 3g Mifi from Verizon which I have connected to the phones and computer and do not have problems with the websites/apps when connected to it. So I know it's not a problem with my devices. Only thing I can think is Verizon is playing internet police.
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    I have been using the app open gardens on mine it is a wifi tethering app and I haven't had no problems with it yet so far

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    This actually is a known issue, with the whole "teired data" thing going on now with Verizon. They have removed all tethering apps from the Market and are somehow blocking people from visiting websites when tethering.
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    I haven't had any problem with using my open garden or my barnicall

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    @carfreek.. are you using a Droid 2? Because if so, you wouldn't have that problem since it's not a 4G phone.

    @spc... anybody or anything you have read that provides a solution to the problem here? i am a firm believer in the fact that I already pay them for the data and I should be able to use it any way I see fit once it reaches my phone. at this rate, they will dictate you the consumer that if you bluetooth to a wireless headset and listen to pandora, rhapsody, etc, you are using a 'tethering' feature and they should be able to charge you for that as well. let me know if you know of any articles or info.
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    I agree. Or transferring files from your SD Card to a computer will be deemed illegal too

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    Here is just one article of many. However, there is a statement in this article that is false. In the article, it states that Verizon can remotely remove tethering apps from your device without your permission. This statement is completely false! Here is the article though that kind of explains the whole tethering thing.

    Verizon Tethering

    It's no surprise that Verizon started this right before they start their teired data plans. They are simply trying to control bandwidth and save themselves some money. Don't be mislead though, tethering apps can still be downloaded (not from market) and installed and used. I use Wireless "Tether For Root Users" myself. From what I have heard, the blocked web pages tends to happen on only the newer phones (thunderbolt, revolution,droid3 and charge. maybe some others too). In my opinion, it seems like this also only applies to phones that are rooted but are still on the original stock ROM. I myself haven't heard of this issue happening with folks on custom roms.

    Here's just another good article about it:
    Verizon and AT&T blocking tethering apps from the Android Market | Android Central
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    Hey thanks spc. Yeah, I was aware they couldn't remove the apps from you phone. I was, however, surprised they could push an update to my phone to disable functionality of apps without my knowledge. I believe this to be totally illegal. That would be the same as Microsoft automatically with out your permission sending an update to you Windows that disables all your printer drivers unless you paid them a $30/month fee that would allow you to print with Windows.

    Problem is, and this is probably why there hasn't been much response, but I use a lot of band width. Just the other day, I downloaded the 10th season to E.R. from Amazon Unbox which I purchased a few years ago. That in and of itself was nearly 22 GB alone and was in one day. Just today, downloading the new iOS 5 beta and iTunes beta was over 2GB. And this is just two days worth. So they are on to me I am sure. Everyone I have read about is scared about going to 7GB on their 5GB and worrying about getting flagged.

    I currently have 3 iPhones and two computers (one PC, one Mac) which are all connected via wifi to my LG Revolution 4G phone. I have not had any problems at all until three days ago. Suddenly, I was having problems getting to wesites. I would type in the URL and it would hang about half way loaded and stop. So I performed a few tests to make sure it wasn't something wrong with my phones or computers and sure enough, it is Verizon. I have filed a complaint with the FCC and will be looking for other sources of Government interventions to hopefully alleviate this problem. Because as it sits, now Verizon is censoring and blocking information. And I'm not for certain, but that sure seems like it is on the verge of being illegal to me.
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    You're using a service (tethering) which is against their TOS. If you don't like it, purchase a tethering package.

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    Well along the lines of your disabling printer drivers from your computer. they are a service provider and they also provide subsidized hardware. If i paid for internet and they gave me a top of the line (i use that term loosely) computer for 200 bucks. I would expect them to do whatever is in thier legal (again loosely) right with the hardware and software running on it. I dont like it but sadly that is the case. If a bunch of people demand this then it wont be a problem, again sadly that probably wont happen. The millions of people with iphones and android phone that just want a smartphone to have one, and only have 10 to 15 apps on it. They dont use tethering, they dont even know what that is. They dont know that you can root it or jailbreak it. Nor do they want to. I am a lone geek in my circle of friends. Any time i tethered my d1 to thier laptop they have been completely amazed that it is possible. Yet still when offered to root or jailbreak the phone dont want to do it because it seems like to much of a hassle or isnt that illegal. We are still a "small" community of people who want total control of our electronics. The other 90% dont care about it. They just want it to work. I could go on and on about this. But the singularity is upon us. Lets just hope its not owned by a company.

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    To jnorwood

    It sounds like you fell in their top 5% data users so the limited your bandwith. I was reading a while back that verizon will limit the top 5% data users bandwidth for the month that they are in the top 5% so those users won't cripple the service for other customers. So yeah 35gb in two days i say the limited your bandwidth and from how i understood it you should be fine next month.

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    @ Urban... you are not alone in throwing that lame excuse around. i'd be willing to bet you and 99.5% of the others who say that have never even read the TOS let alone point out the specific section that states i can not 'tether'. i believe, along with you and others that it is there. but just because it's in their TOS does NOT make it legal. if they mentioned that they have a right to place you in indentured servitude in their TOS, that doesn't mean they have a right to enforce it. it's illegal. the only thing that is keeping this from being settled so far is this hasn't been properly challenged YET.

    @ Esto... as for subsidizing. i paid for my LG Rev outright at best buy. i paid the full $650 for the phone. so they have no right to dictate what i can and can not do with my phone. back to my analogies. does ford motor company have the right to say i can not hook an aftermarket amp and speaker to my factory installed radiio after i purchase the car with the radio installed? i would think not. there are a thousand different scenarios i could come up with that are along the same lines. thing is, i don't lay down and accept what someone else tells me to do, especially when it's my hard earned money involved. they can come up with all the reasons why they NEED to limit/cap they want and i can come up with arguement for everyone of them. the ONLY reason is because they (along with at&t, sprint and t-mobile) have litterally cornered the market and all but created a monopoly and this is one more way of squeezing $30 more dollars out of mine and your pockets. i don't know about you, but i don't like to bend over, take it and be happy. there are no other cell phone companies available for competition and so long as that is the case, there are limited options. simple capitalism.

    @ Den... i don't think they are 'slowing' down my data stream at all. and here is why i think that. i can run speed tests just fine so long as i know the direct url within the website. i still get 10 -20 mb test speeds. i downloaded several files with no degradation in the download speed. thing is, i had to go DIRECTLY to the url containing the file or to the actual page it was on. i couldn't type, for instance, www.microsoft.com. when i went to a page that contained a login screen, it just froze. it was as if their computers said to stop transmission fi the url contained the word 'login' in it. as an example of that, i could go to my bank (small bank, so not well known) website and the first screen pulled up. but when i went to the login screen, the page would not load. same thing happened with amazon. i could go to www.amazon.com , but when i tried to go to the log in screen it froze. to check it, i turned off my wifi connection to the 4g phone and started wifi with my 3g mi-fi, clicked refresh and it worked fine. back paged and forward paged a few times and everything worked fine. when i went back to the 4g phone wifi, same thing. would not let me go to login and some popular websites. this is why i believe they are not 'slowing' down my speeds but restricting and blocking websites. i can't imagine this by any sense of discussion is illegal. if i were going to porn or sites of questionable/illegal activity, i could see. but give it a try. i could not even go to www.microsoft.com . see what you get. there might be a lawsuit here???
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    so what exactly will you be doing to fight this? just curious? since you don't bend over and take it and all that?
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    Don't matter to me. I barely use tethering unless I'm at the airport. I use all kinds of apps on my phone and still stay within the 2GB limit (which doesn't matter because I get to keep my unlimited data anyway). I understand people stream movies and games and music and all that stuff but come on......don't you have a laptop? At least a desktop?
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    yes, i do. but i already pay for the data service on my cell that is capable of hotspoting and is just as fast as the internet service the local cable company provides. so why pay for two services when i already have one that works.
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    Tethering for free is against Verizon's TOS. If you do it and get caught, then you should be held accountable. That's my opinion.
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    Dude really? Ok yes you own Ur phone and have the right to do what u want with it. But you do not own Verizon's network which Ur using to download huge amounts of data from. There a mobile network not an isp.


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    Good for you, I wish it would do some good for us. I applaud your effort.
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    So your complaint was "I'm trying to violate the tos I agreed to and they won't let me"? This should be fun
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    i understand the whole "it's my phone i can do what i want to it" argument...

    but i'm finding it odd how you fail to see that you're the one using their service. you want to use your phone however you want, however you're using their data. it's their service, they define the terms. no matter how much you whine about it, it will never be THEIR fault that YOU didn't read the TOS.

    this is the reason there won't be unlimited data plans from now on.
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