[Upd2] Angry Android Developers Ally Against Google, Android Developers Union Formed

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    Update: The picture comes straight from the Union's website and is a bit incendiary. Perhaps they don't realize that it could be offensive, or perhaps this is the face of their perspective. We shall have to wait and see.

    [Update 2 to yesterday's story below:] After doing some more digging Engadget found out a bit more of the whole story regarding the Android Developer's Union and their grievances with Google. Here's what they had to say,
    This sheds a brighter light on the subject, and although it doesn't excuse Google's shoddy customer support and communication with developers, it still makes it hard to justify creating a 'Union' if you can call it that. Perhaps these guys should have done a 'fact-check' on their own ethics before calling out Google...


    A group of inflamed Android developers have formed an alliance against Google for what they see as serious grievances related to lack of support from Google, unfair take-down practices, overcharging, and more. Their intention is to pressure Google to improve the Market and their support of developers. They have formed the Android Developers Union and have created a blog.

    One of the specific arguments they are making includes an anecdote from a disgruntled developer named Rich, who has developed 18 different Android apps for the last two years, including Port Scandroid and aBTC, the Android BitTorrent client, and the official ‘This American Life’ application.

    In reference to one of his latest apps, 'Rapid Download', he claims, "Without any warning or notification, the application was removed. I only noticed when I went to check my sales and noticed I had not made any money for the previous week and a half." He attempted to contact Google through their normal procedures, but only received auto responses without any helpful information. Eventually, all he received from them was a letter threatening that [his] account would be deactivated and all of [his] applications would be removed from the Market if he violated the rules again. He still had not received any info or spoken with anyone as to how he violated the rules to begin with.

    Ultimately he felt, "This kind of treatment is unacceptable. Since I began developing Android applications two years ago, Google has collected over $14,000 in “service fees” as part of their 30 percent tax on all sales – and the only service they have ever provided me is a threatening letter," thus he joined the Union.

    The Android Developers Union has listed seven policy changes that they are trying to get Google to implement, including a renegotiation of the 32 percent Google cut on applications sold through the store, more payment options and public bug tracking to name just a few.

    It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. Some of their issues seem very real and probably need to be addressed by Google in some way. Of course there is always a danger of attracting people that just like to incite hostility or create strife. What do you guys think of all this? Let us hear from any developers on these issues so we can get a well-rounded perspective.

    Source: Android.net via Phandroid and Android Developers Union
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    yeah Google needs to learn customer service. Its krazi how bad it is trying to get a real person
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    To me it would make some "cents" for them to spend some of that BIG $$$,$$$ they make, on REAL people to answer some more calls. It could be their way of "stimulating" our economy... dancedroid
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    Unionized Android developers? GROAN
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    Well yeah Google is notorious for lack of customer service...
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    This is all a ploy by big G to take over the software development industry...

    Im tellin ya, they're just as bad as apple and microsoft.

    On a side note, has anyone seen the recent articles about IBM's advancements in integrating nanoscale photonic data transmission into modern silicon electronics? Exciting stuff.

    It's too bad that the research on the generation-hopping replacement for silicon/von neumann based electronics is taking off.

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    I sure wish Amazon's AppStore was a decent alterative to Google's, but its terms & conditions are absolutely horrible. We need a real competitor with decent terms. And one such term that needs to be negotiable (or a term with options) is the collection of outside funds. You simply can't get around it - it's always going to happen. As such, that needs to be a condition that can be "bought out of" for certain apps. That way, apps such as MMORPG games that sell in-game items can do so without worrying about violating AppStore rules. Likewise, if I want to sell an app on the AppStore, then I should be able to and just give whomever a 15% cut (or whatever is determined reasonable) for providing the sales channel for me.

    In fact, I think the percentage should be tiered, based on the number of sales. Take only a 10% off the first 10,000 sales, 15% off the next 40,000 sales, and 20% off all other sales. Doesn't it make sense that the person selling your product should get paid more for selling more of your product? If you're a big-time product developer with large numbers of customers, then this makes a whole lot of sense. If you're a hobbyist developer without a ton of sales, this makes a whole lot of sense for you too.
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    Lol, i was thinking the same thing...
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    out of curiosity what is the cut that apple takes on items sold in its market? do they have similar clause about selling from 3rd party sites? why not look into an alternative market? where apps can be sold
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    This isn't a "real" union. It can't be--none of these folk work for Google and can't be certified as a union. Now people can join uncertified unions, but there seems to be no attempt at affiliation, nor would it really be realistic to do so. This is just a publicity gimmick and nothing more.

    If these guys want to form an association, then they could form something like a chamber of commerce, but it wouldn't be a union. Then the folks here could save their hate and derision for the chamber of commerce instead.
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    Power to the people. I just think that everybody has their right to express what they believe and hey even if they won't be recognized as a union whatever more power to em for trying to make a difference. Theyre the ones who bring us the apps we all love so ill support them. Corporations are just interested I. The money, I feel that they feel the programmers are expendable...IMHO

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    Will the Android Developers Union publish any software?
    Or will they be like other unions who find an excuse to not work and try and get paid?

    I'd like to see a ADU launcher app.

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    How would that work? Would you be catapulting the devs at androids or something?