well i want to send a thanks to the great folks of the droid world. i followed this thread ( http://www.droidforums.net/forum/hacking-faqs/39254-sbf-root-unroot.html ) watched the vids about 50 times, and even recovered from a typical noo-b oversight with no glitches. the over sight was the naming of the ESE81 file to "update"..... yes i named it update.zip, and it ended up being update.zip.zip........ i should have checked the file name before trying the install but i didn't "file could not be found".... started over with a proper named file, and every thing went great! the only thing i wasn't sure about was after i installed ESE81 update, reactivated my phone, and lost all my apps...... well i just re-downloaded everything. now with titanium back up this saves the apps, AND the info as well correct (onto the SD card)? now as far as the ROMs and THEMES, and clocking, ect....... i'm not a die hard theme guy, or have to have slick looking icons, i don't mind a lot of the stock features/looks. i'll take small steps, one thing at a time. i'm running a 2.1 ROM with root, as for right now i do like it, no complaints, but i want to test and tune (ya might say). here's a real quick question 1) with ROM manager, there is a selection for "BACK UP CURRENT ROM" is this just a selection to back up the rom setting on the SD card? this doesn't have anything to do with the "nandroid back up" that i preformed durring the rooting process, does it? here's the apps for "rooted" users i've added to the collection - Metamorph - ROM manager - Barnacle WiFi teather - Titanium Back up *i will be getting SetCPU here shortly! thanks again for all the great info, and ANY advice is greatly appreciated!!