The Facts about SMS with Google Voice App

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    Anyone who has the Google voice app and uses it for texting may wounder about the delay. Do you get text messages as quickly as if they were sent to your real cell number and not your Google voice app? IF you have explored the Google Voice application the minimum refresh interval is 5 minutes. So one would assume you could be waiting up to five minutes fofr a text to get to you sent by a friend but this is not tru as proved by some tests me and joegrind (from the forum).

    Our first test was a base test and he sent a text from his cell phone to my normal cell number (not my Google Voice number) and I received the text with in seconds after him sending it.

    Next I had him send a text message to my Google Voice number. But right before I ha him send it i went into my gv app and did a manual refresh to make sure it would start its 5 min refresh interval right then to get accurate results to see if GV actually "pushed" the sms to my app. the message was sent at 8:35pm and I did not receive it until 8:40pm proving that gv does not "push" sms messages to its app.

    Next we decided to test out a theory some have that if in your Google Voice settings you have the setting checked off in which it will send text messages directly to your phone (not just to gv app but to your built in text messenger) that you would get texts instantly. Upon testing this it proved true at first. If you have the setting checked to send messages to your cell then they come up in GV app instantly to. We tested this a few more time and got the same results but then joe grind came up with this theory, "I think as the gvoice dialer recognises the 406 numbers...it gets faster"

    So I then we decided to go back and test this, by going back into my settings and turning off the send text to cell phone option. Upon doing this, in the next two tests i still got the text messages just about instantly.

    What our results seem to prove is that one you have received at least one text from a number Google must first assign a 406 number behind the scenes to it (even if you don't uses the 406 #) then after the incoming number is recognized it speeds up delivery of the sms to your gv app.

    last note is that this was only tested with the android gv app on the Motorola Droid. We have not tested the blackberry GV app.

    What do you all think?
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    So, to be able to get GV SMSs pushed instantly to your phone you need to enable forward GV to forward the SMSs to your phone. Then, the people who sent those the SMSs which were forwarded will have their new SMSs show up instantly in GV?
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    thats what we originally seemed to think but it seems after gv learns your contacts 406 number you don't need this setting on.
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    So, GV will instantly start getting SMSs?
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    according to all the tests i did last night gv will get sms within 20-30 seconds after its been sent after Google has learned your friends 406 number, meaning the first text you ever receive from a friend will be slow but once there number is on file with Google then they will come in faster after that.

    This is not stated by Google but more of what my experiment has proven to me.
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    Hmmm, I'm curious, how much does it take to learn someone's 406 number? I have been using GV to text quite a bit (80 texts in the last 24 hours), and it doesn't seem like any of the texts are being pushed to my phone.
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    for me it seems one message from a contact and google has it. I am not sur eif its "push" or not but mine seem to be comming in no longer then a min after they send it.
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    Thanks for doing those test as this is really good info. I had originally planned to go full out with GV and the 5 minute refresh time was a killer for me. Then breaking the camels back was the fact that GV does not do MMS.
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    GV does not push, mine pushed as well until I unchecked sms in 2 different locations in GV and then refreshed GV.( If you getting it instantly it's still sending them through your wireless provider.

    However there is a workaround... Gmail does infact push and if you select send SMS to Gmail you get it asap. You see an email but when you reply they only see a text.
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    Ahh, thanks jweber!
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    SearayMan:
    I got my Droid yesterday and downloaded the Gvoice app/ dialer...quick question though as this could possibly mess up my minutes. When I use the dialer, I see a different number being dialed. I've set up Gvoice to dial all calls without prompting. However, when I select whichever contact to dial, I see another number being used. It says 'Calling via Google Voice and another local number....not my VZW number or my GVoice number....My Gvoice number shows up on whoever I'm dialing but the number 'being used' by Gvoice is a different/ unknown number...The number has the same first 6 digits as my Gvoice number but different last four numbers. It's the same unknown number for all the contacts I'm dialing. I'm thinking this will mess up my friends and family as I had my GVoice saved as a F&F number and thus wasn't using airtime minutes. Is anyone experiencing this? Or have any solutions/ work-arounds?
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    I've noticed this as well and I'm experiencing the same thing.

    Your minutes WILL be affected unless you add this number as well to your F&F numbers.

    Keep an eye on the number as it might be dynamic.

    Sealos
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    @Sealos...I agree. I did a search in the GVoice forum and I think I saw your name in there too..but yeah...According to another use..(Snerdly?) He says that the dialer uses Access Numbers which do change....so yes....I'll be watching those numbers.
    Surprised you can't dial from the GV dialer web interface.
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    @JoeGrind... what do you mean about a GV dialer via the web interface?

    From the GV dashboard on the web, you can send an SMS OR make a call. You just put the number in the input box and it calls you using your GV number and connects you to the person you want to call. Since it shows up as your own GV number, if you have it listed as a F&F number, your minutes won't be used.

    Cheers,
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    I actually meant dialing from the Gvoice dialer on the Droid...I am dialing directly from my contacts on my phone. GV Dialer then initiates the call (which I set to do for all calls) using the unknown access number. However, I did find out that if I go to GVdialer directly on the Droid, I am able to select contacts and dial there (as opposed to using my 'phone's contact list'. It still uses the access number however. So the only way to initiate a phone call with my phone so that it uses my GVoice number is to go to the website through my phone (or on a comp obviously) and have Google Voice then dial my cell. I can't dial my Gvoice number directly from my phone (or from the dialpad) as it also forces the GVDialer to dial from the access number.

    ...Sounds confusing, I know.....and I got a headache just typing it.
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    This is FASCINATING. I have to admit, I'm sleptical it all might just be a fluke, but I am so excited to test it and see if I can validate the results (as should as many people as we can get on here to try it.. strength in numbers people) it just seems out there, but thejn again maybe not. maybe once you have a contact assigned with it's own 406 number, it uses the much faster phone system rather than a data only path? Hmm, I'm going to try it
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    Good hypothesis, however it still has to go through the data system....because the 406 numbers are not unique for each GVoice account. You can have a 406-number assigned to say your brother, and I can have that same number assigned to my sister. It depends on which GVoice account you are dialing from to 'tap into' the Google data networks.
    Post your results after your testing.
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    If anyone else has tried some test or has there own hypothesis for us to test on Google voice please share. This can be the Google Voice Experimental threads. Any good info found i will update it into the first post for easy finding.
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    Well, I just tested the theory. Re-enabled sms forwarding to my phone from google voice, (at 20 cents a text with no verizon plan mind you) had three different contacts text me and they showed up in my phone with new google given 406 numbers. I replied to them each from my phone to lock in the 406 path back to them just in case.

    Turned text forwarding off again in google voice and the verdict is...

    They all went back to 5 minute delays.

    I got one in 4 , but that was ore a fluke I think.. so one tester here proves this wrong, can we get more? I'm bummed.
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    Hello All,

    I've had a G1 for close to 5 months now. I purchased it with the sole intent of using it OFF of the cellular network, and only for the purpose of having the Google Voice app, as well as Sipdroid, as a much smarter 'home' wifi/voip phone..

    In this time I have not had the same experience as the OP, I did have SMS forwarding turned on for a short time(with a prepaid SIM), but after that, it still took up to 5 minutes to receive new SMS messages. I now have the Droid configured to have SMS from VZW forwarded to the phone, and the set not to display notification of new SMS, so basically, my Messaging app will always be full of new unread SMS. Looking at my Account shows a ton of incoming messages and no outgoing messages.

    As for calling in/out. Download GV by Evan Charlton from the Android Market. Configure it to route all outgoing calls through his app, and disable the official Google Voice app by setting it to 'Do not route any calls through Google Voice'.

    This will cause all of your outgoing calls to actually be incoming calls from your GV number, which for some of us, means free outgoing calls... albeit in a round-about fashion.

    Until the official Google Voice application is updated to call your number instead of some random changing number, this is the easiest solution. Though I'd imagine this implementation gives the Carriers some peace of mind..

    The GV app can also be configured to route calls back via a Gizmo5 747 number, which unless you already have it, you're not going to be getting one anytime soon, as Google just bought Gizmo5 and shutdown registration.. :D

    Though in the long run, that should mean very good things for us. possibly: the ability to make/take calls from any computer with a microphone and speaker. Or simply pure SIP calls from inside the Google Voice app over the Droid's data connection. Or if we're really lucky, they'll just buyout what's left of Sprint, and start selling internet-only android devices on which Google Voice runs perfectly.. Maybe I'm dreaming.
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