Tethering - Here's why I wouldn't do it...

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    Hi folks. I learned something this past weekend I thought I'd share quickly. This is in regard to rooting and in regard to tethering.

    I have a family member who works for VZW. He lets me use his employee account (he gets 5 lines, everything is 50% off), but as a result, I have to be more careful than the average person with what I do, what I say in text messages, etc., since upon my family member's hiring by VZW, they did an AOL on his account (Assumption of Liability) where essentially his account can be subjected to investigation by Verizon at any time (since they own the account due to the AOL). Anyway, this family member of mine is currently a Retail Sales Rep. He works for the direct/corporate side in a retail store in the NW region.

    Friday mornings they have store meetings every week, and when he came home Friday he asked me how my day was. I said how my school's internet was out, but I was able to use my Wired Tethering app (through Koush's 5.0.6.2 Cyanogen ROM) to give internet to my desktop to get some school work done. He said "you really shouldn't do that anymore, we had a meeting about it, in fact, you could have your contract canceled as a result and have to pay an ETF and not be allowed to have service with Verizon anymore."

    Obviously I asked what he learned to substantiate such a claim. He told me that in Friday morning's meeting, two things came up. First, his store manager gave an explanation to the team about what "Rooting" is, and that if a customer comes in with any Droid phone for troubleshooting/technical support, they are to ask to see the phone and to check the "About Phone section" to determine if a phone is rooted. If it is, the sales/customer support rep is to notate in the customer's account that they have made modifications to their phone which voids the warranty, and they are to refuse to help the customer with any tech. support and are to tell the customer to call in to customer care for further information (and customer care is supposed to let the customer know their contract has been canceled and that they owe an ETF and that VZW is dropping their service).

    In addition, the store manager also covered tethering. Tethering is going to be cracked down on by Verizon, especially on Android phones, and apparently they have ways of checking if someone is tethering or not. Anyone caught breaking the rules will have their contract canceled, and they will subsequently be charged an ETF (early termination fee) and will have their service then suspended.

    I know that most people know Verizon doesn't like tethering, and I know some have said if you don't go above 5GB/month you can't be caught, etc., but I choose to not follow that logic only because I'm on an employee account and I'm held to a different standard than most Verizon customers. You guys can do whatever you want, but I thought this was a fair warning to people who are rooted and who do tether - be careful what you do, Verizon certainly knows what's going on and they are now training their retail staff to watch for signs of these two activities. This isn't meant to be some fear-based message to get people to stop tethering. I wish I could tether, but I'm too afraid of being caught.

    So, if you're rooted, make sure to flash to stock before going into a retail store for help with your phone; and if you're tethering, you should really watch how much data you use, and try not to tether unless you really are prepared for the consequences.

    My family member who works for VZW said tethering was brought up since they were going over the Incredible and the fact that customers who want a Droid and who want to tether are to be sold an Incredible since it "officially" supports tethering (and it's going to cost an extra $30/month). I'm thinking of picking up an Incredible and paying the extra $15/month (I get half off) for the tethering just so I can do it when I need to (which is pretty often).
     
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    I seriously doubt they would ban you from service without so much as a warning.
     
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    I agree, mostly because Verizon loves your money. As far as tethering and rooting, I say go for it with no fear... just don't be streaming hulu on tether for a while, and yes, don't give your phone to a Verizon worker if your rooted.
     
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    Not that I advocate excessive tethering or anything, but with the current apps, VZW has no idea if the 15gb I downloaded last month stayed on my phone, or was forwarded via WiFi Tether to a PC....

    It's just like how Bright House cable cant tell (easily) which PC on my network gets the most use, as far as they know, it's all going to and from my router.
     
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    If you really believe that you could be in for a rude awakening. They can access your router at any time and they can see exactly what each device is doing.
     
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    I was only gonna use it in the rare situation where my wife or son would be using the Mac in the car while I was driving - I expect maybe one or twice a year/ no biggie / never really saw the point to tethering otherwise. I mean, sheesh there are enough wifi hotspots...
     
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    It's been my experience that reps. Are pretty much clueless. No offense. Unless this actually happens I will be tethering.


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    I know one thing, if THEY cancel me and is never going to provide me with service again, let's just see them try and get the etf out of me :r_c:

    I can't imagine that this whole open source thing is against their wants. I thought that's was a positive point to going with verizon and "their" phones.
     
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    Right. The cable company can look past my router password and violate all the rules of NAT, to view my routers logs (that expire every 2 days). Sorry dude, it cant be done.
     
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    it would be really stupid for them to to cancel me forever. my line alone costs over $60 a month. and we have 4 of those. they should like that. also, in my experience verizon reps tend to be pretty dumb (no offense).
    i guess i wont just cuz i dont want to get caught, and i dont really need to that much
     
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    They wont up and cancel you without hitting you with fees first. It's far more financially lucrative for them to try and keep you on an an extra cost.
     
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    LOL! You don't think they have a root password that supersedes yours? Guess again. Call them and ask them to check your router. They will NOT asks for your password and they can get into it. I have called my provider before and listened as they did it. Try it. Tell them you are having dropped packets and ask them to check your event or error log.
     
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    That's true for you and me. But for an employee account they would do that because they could not only ding you for tethering but they can charge you for the retail rate on their plans.

    It would be fairly easy for them to see who is using tethering. All the have to do is look for links that are not going to a mobile site, when there is a well established mobile presence, such as Google.
     
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    ldimick, none of your arguements for anything are making any sense. I'll start with the one that's on-topic first. Visiting non-mobile sites and using that data to determine who's tethering is absolutely bogus. If this were the case, then anyone downloading torrents on their phone would be caught. Think it through.

    Second the NAT arguement. You should read up on how it works. Without some serious traffic analysis and ARP attacks, the ISP has no idea how many computers are behind a router. As for your "password" arguement, I run a custom firmware on all my routers, to which I am certain there is no "master password". There is no way to ask a router (residential gateway) running NAT about the packets that happen behind it.

    I dont disagree that with some serious traffic analysis, they could determine anything they want, but it's not worth the time unless you're causing DoS on their networks. IPv6 is different, so I'm talking IPv4.
     
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    Rooting isnt required to tether I thought?
     
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