Take Caution With 4G phones.

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    Ahhhh, a voice of reason. There's a lot flying around these boards about the "evil" money-hungry VZW as if VZW doesn't have to compete with any other carriers.
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    I wonder how many people have looked at the coverage maps to get an idea of just how well "served" their area is in theory. :)

    For example, I have better Sprint coverage at my house than I do AT&T even though I'm the "extended" network for Sprint and "primary" network for AT&T, and both of them are broadcasting from the same contract tower "owned" and operated by Verizon.
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    Why? They're useless. You + the internet = smarter and more knowledgeable than any VZW rep
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    I think the person who wrote this read into the reps statement a bit too much. As far as a I know Verizon HAS NOT announced that will only have limited plans and that an unlimited plan will not be available with 4g.

    As of right now unless someone can post a press release stating otherwise when 4g goes live on a handset it will in fact be 29.99 for unlimited data. Now I do think Verizon did officially say that in the future they may go with limited plans if they feel like because well they can where as ATT had too because not having the bandwidth.

    That being said it would be VERY VERY wise for Verizon to set a very high cap for example 3-5GB of data once 4g hits so that anyone who hacks there phone for tethering, downloads a p2p app, or just uses it to stream video 24/7 doesn't rape Verizon.

    I would guess that 90% or better of Verizon users use less than 3gb of data per month probably far less than 2gb I do believe ATT officially announced what percent of iPhone users use less than a certain amount of data so that they could ease the minds of their customers that where going onto the 2GB plans.


    All in all though I wouldn't worry. One thing you can be certain is that as always Verizon will offer a competitive and fair solution. I know many unreasonable people don't believe that is VZW is usually fair but when you compare VZW prices and amazing service to ATTs almost the same pricing for horrible service well it speaks for itself.

    Personally if there is a cap as long as it is 3gb or higher I will take the cap and 4g since even with heavy tethering, torrent use, slingbox, tunee, pandora, slacker, and last.fm use I have rarely if ever gone over 3gb.

    I know that with 4g being up to 10x faster 3gb would be easier to hit but think about it I would rather get to 3gb really quickly than never even get to 2gb very slowly at the same price!
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    "heavy tethering" for you might mean "light tethering" for someone else. :)
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    A 5 gig cap seems reasonable at $29.99. But the #1 reason there will not be a premium or "lousy" LTE plan is simple: VZW is pushing the other mfrs to make LTE handsets. VZW cannot then turn around and effectively hand Apple the 3G market by charging a premium for LTE. They absolutely will not pull a Sprint where they charge a $10 premium even if you don't have LTE. It's backward compatible so they can make an LTE handset and sell it in every market, but no one in a 3G market would buy it if they have to pay $10 extra for something they don't use.
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    I dont quite understand your argument. Sprint did exactly what you are saying verizon wouldnt. People who bought the evo 4g still pay $10 even if they dont have wimax. Take your last sentence and replace LTE with wimax and sprint did exactly what you are saying verizon wouldnt. I agree it is stupid, but what exactly makes you think verizon wont do the same. Not that I think they will. I have no idea. Just wondering what makes you think they wont.
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    I can think of a good reason -- the iPhone. While a lot of people are going to jump on the iPhone as soon as they can, penalizing people for NOT taking the iPhone won't sit well and may be viewed, legally, as anti-competitive practices.

    That won't sit well with users but it WILL sit well with the lawyers who will file the lawsuits.
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    It is a completely different dynamic. Sprint did not have anywhere near the depth of 3G Android devices, and they didn't have the IPhone. Further, the Evo enjoyed almost 3 months of 4G exclusivity and even 7 months later they have just the Samsung Epic with the Evo Shift (also by HTC) just now debuting. VZW has 4 LTE handsets coming out late Q1/early Q2 and presumably more in the pipeline.

    Also, even with the $10 premium Sprint is still cheaper than VZW despite being the pretty much the only 4G game in town until recently. It's not going to happen on VZW. For starters, you already have 4G on Sprint to compete with and AT&T coming this summer. You simply don't push the mfrs to develop LTE phones and then turn around and price those phones out of 3G markets. And if that were the case, no way HTC scraps the IncHD for the Thunderbolt - you have it supposedly ready to go in Nov but you delay it (quite possibly at the request of VZW) for 3-4 months only to get screwed by VZW?

    You can take it a step further. If VZW says "I'll take 1mm LTE Bionics or 2mm 3G Bionics" what would happen? It's simply going to be implicit in that order that the phone is competitive in both markets. VZW is going to be on the hook here and if they price those LTE handsets out of 3G markets they are taking a big risk of eating thousands upon thousands of handsets, and that isn't going to happen.
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    Even if there aren't legal ramifications (and I would guess most of these mfrs have agreements with "favored nation" status to ensure equitable treatment on discounts and promotions) it would simply be bad business to tee-off your Android mfrs. If they cut VZW off from the top Android phones a lot of subscribers will eventually take their business to AT&T and Sprint.

    And another point, Sprint was about $10 cheaper on data at that point, I think. In order to properly subsidize the Evo they had almost no choice but to bump their data plan to recover that subsidy.
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    4g = 4 Gigs lol

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    I hate everything I'm hearing about lte... I want unlimited at a reasonable price... 200 for the phone and +10 for lte unlimited.. not asking a lot

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    Makes sense.

    Eventually when LTE coverage is wide enough I will see if I can get a data only plan and use google voice + SIP for my services. Verizon = dumb pipe.
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    Thank you for stating this, while verizon may or may not add a cap to the data, or charge alittle extra for unlimited, nothing has come out to state that. The only thing released was the pricing and data caps for their Data Devices (usb modems). I guess in the upcoming month or so, we should hear the pricing scheme they come up with.
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    Saw where Sprint will be adding a $10 premium to data plans for all new smartphone subscribers beginning Jan 31st. Don't think it's just a 4G thing, either.

    That doesn't bode well. Sprint being lower limits the premium VZW can charge for better service. Now, for 4G it will be no different than it has been, but I don't like the added incentive here for VZW to bump prices, although Sprint will still be cheaper and it's unlimited data.

    But $30 for smartphone data on top of $50 for home broadband is getting steep. I'm feeling pretty price sensitive here. I might pay $35 for LTE but don't think I'd go $40.
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    So you could still have a normal 3G data plan for a 4G phone or are you forced to have a 4G plan?
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    Forced. It's like having a smart phone -- you're forced to have a data plan even if you only ever use it from your Wi-Fi'd house.
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    Hmmm... I was really thinking of a Bionic, or do you think I should wait till 2013 when the whole 4G Verizon network is up and running and in the mean time just get something currently 3G? Because if I have to pay more than the normal 3G for barely using 4G (not the best area coverage right now) and be limited for both in terms of how much I can use, I think I might just go for a 3G only phone right now. Not sure though.
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    Do a one-year contract on a 3G phone. You'll pay $70 more but you won't be beholden to the phone for another year, and when the year's up you can get new-contract (or renewal) pricing for a 4G phone AND will have better 4G coverage. How's that sound?
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    The thing is, I'm on a family plan, and have been for some time and I can upgrade my phone in April/May, so yeah, it will still be a 2 year contract. But from everything I can tell, these phones are a lot more future proof than they seem, especially compared to the current phone I have now. I'd just pay for the phone and get a data plan.

    I didn't mean to derail the thread. Carry on.
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