Steve Jobs Response to Adobe (Flash)

[Mixist]

Love it or hate it:

Thoughts on Flash

Interesting about H264 (a codec I love btw) vs Flash in regards to battery life.

 

[Darkseider]

Love it or hate it:

Thoughts on Flash

Interesting about H264 (a codec I love btw) vs Flash in regards to battery life.

Umm... You did notice some of his bullet points? My favorite is the first one where he complains that it is NOT open. Open? Really like the DRM'd songs from iTunes, inability to play FLAC encoded files on an iPhad device. How about the walled garden he calls an App Store? Let's not forget the new SDK that closes development to C, C++ and Objective C only. Now that there is what I call open, not. Then my second favorite one where Flash is not touch friendly. Obviously the prescription on his glasses are bad because if they were good he would have seen how well touch works on Flash on the Android platform.

Seems to me he is being his typical tyrannical, megalomaniacal self and justifying his stupidity. Nothing new. I just attribute it to age plus cancer drugs, pain treatments and dementia. He is an ass, always has been and always will be.

 

[jsh1120]

Love it or hate it:

Thoughts on Flash

Interesting about H264 (a codec I love btw) vs Flash in regards to battery life.

Umm... You did notice some of his bullet points? My favorite is the first one where he complains that it is NOT open. Open? Really like the DRM'd songs from iTunes, inability to play FLAC encoded files on an iPhad device. How about the walled garden he calls an App Store? Let's not forget the new SDK that closes development to C, C++ and Objective C only. Now that there is what I call open, not. Then my second favorite one where Flash is not touch friendly. Obviously the prescription on his glasses are bad because if they were good he would have seen how well touch works on Flash on the Android platform.

Seems to me he is being his typical tyrannical, megalomaniacal self and justifying his stupidity. Nothing new. I just attribute it to age plus cancer drugs, pain treatments and dementia. He is an ass, always has been and always will be.

You really should try to control your antipathy toward Mr. Jobs.

"...Apple has many proprietary products too. Though the operating system for the iPhone, iPod and iPad is proprietary, we strongly believe that all standards pertaining to the web should be open. Rather than use Flash, Apple has adopted HTML5, CSS and JavaScript – all open standards. Apple’s mobile devices all ship with high performance, low power implementations of these open standards. HTML5, the new web standard that has been adopted by Apple, Google and many others, lets web developers create advanced graphics, typography, animations and transitions without relying on third party browser plug-ins (like Flash). HTML5 is completely open and controlled by a standards committee, of which Apple is a member..."

I'm not especially a fan of Steve Jobs. He's a canny businessman who has managed to create a very successful firm (with the help of many others) and his first commitment is to his shareholders and his firm. That's hardly reprehensible or unusual.

Calling him "stupid" says much more about your judgment than his intelligence.

 

[td854]

I hate apple just as any other guy, but I have to say I'm 100% in favor of ridding the world of flash. Flash scales terribly with CPU speed and Adobe doesn't seem like they want to do anything about it. People have made some pretty impressive little flash games for a number of varying genre, but most are nearly unplayable if the screen gets busy at all thanks to a poorly optimized system.

That said, before flash video there were companies that used numerous codecs which caused problems for computer-stupid people in watching pretty much anything. This combined with a near-useless automated codec download system from Microsoft, and a simple (read: lazy developers) system of deployment through flash is what made everyone jump on the flash video bandwagon. Regardless of the fact that h264 was originally developed by apple (I think,) it is still a very good video compression system and there are numerous hardware applications out there that support it.

 

[JhankG]

I don't even care anymore, I just want to watch videos online. Settle on a standard and let's get this thing moving.

 

[jntdroid]

I don't even care anymore, I just want to watch videos online. Settle on a standard and let's get this thing moving.

100% agree - tired of all of it...

 

[Droids]

I don't care for Steve Jobs much, but he is right on about Flash being wrong for the future. In the last number of years, everything Adobe touches becomes poorly written bloatware. Any tools that Adobe creates for HTML5 will also be poorly written bloatware.

Everyone wants Flash so bad for their Droid, wait until your phone slows to a crawl or randomly reboots, and you'll think twice about Flash. I like the fact that all this Flash bashing will hurry up the widespread implementation of HTML5 and H.264.

 

[Darkseider]

First off it really doesn't matter if Flash scales well with CPU anymore as Flash is now accelerated by the GPU and is not very CPU intensive at all. Secondly I never called him stupid. Demented, megalomaniac, tyrannical... yeah I have and always will continue to call him that. I used stupidity. This is because of the ass backwards, stupid, business move he made to not support Flash. Personally the man is a great snake oil salesman nothing more, nothing less. He doublespeaks and back peddles on everything he has ever said publicly. Flash will be no different.

Examples of a senile old man:

1. DRM Good! DRM Bad! Now... DRM Good again.
2. Apps will always be web based. Jailbroken iPhone and one Cydia store later. Apple introduces an App. store and pushes it like a crack dealer.
3. Open Source, BAD. Approx. 2 years later OS X based off of an open source BSD Kernel.
4. 3G speeds aren't important. Stated when the iPhone 2G was released. Then came the iPhone 3G.

The man is a ****ing clown. Plain english. The problem is all the toe walking, mouth breathing simpletons that follow him. Apple produces sub-standard, feature locked or gimped products, both hardware and software, and charge a premium for them because they are MAGICAL. They have been doing this since the first Mac and haven't stopped since.

 

[icculusX]

I design websites, and I love flash... its easy and well... flashy...

 

[td854]

First off it really doesn't matter if Flash scales well with CPU anymore as Flash is now accelerated by the GPU and is not very CPU intensive at all.

Only flash video is accelerated by GPU, not all of flash, I was speaking in a more generalized term of flash and not just video.

 

[Mixist]

... Apple produces sub-standard, feature locked or gimped products, both hardware and software, and charge a premium for them because they are MAGICAL. They have been doing this since the first Mac and haven't stopped since.

Sub standard? I wouldn't say that at all. I work in the entertainment industry as a sound mixer. Most of the records made these days are digitally recorded into a Mac running Pro Tools or another DAW. I haven't seen a PC in a PRO studio in a very long time. I know the same goes for the Magazine biz. So they ARE the standard for some industries, just maybe not the one you're in Darkseider.

 

[JhankG]

... Apple produces sub-standard, feature locked or gimped products, both hardware and software, and charge a premium for them because they are MAGICAL. They have been doing this since the first Mac and haven't stopped since.

Sub standard? I wouldn't say that at all. I work in the entertainment industry as a sound mixer. Most of the records made these days are digitally recorded into a Mac running Pro Tools or another DAW. I haven't seen a PC in a PRO studio in a very long time. I know the same goes for the Magazine biz. So they ARE the standard for some industries, just maybe not the one you're in Darkseider.

I work at a magazine and all we use are Macs. I can still enjoy Mac computers while despising Steve Jobs, right?

 

[Shadez]

Looks like hes just reaching rock bottom and grasping at everything he has to throw at adobe and anyone else who will listen

 

[Mixist]

You sure can.

Look, I'm not a fan of Jobs either. But some of the comments made about Macs in this forum are just flat out wrong.

 

[Darkseider]

Again. These industries headed by said toe walking, mouth breathing simpletons buy the Macs because they were told by everyone else how magical and perfect they are. You can have a superior performing PC, with warranty, running the same software and do the job in less time. OS X is flashy and pretty but in reality is a performance robbing POS. The reason is because the mach microkernel is very inefficient at handling multiple threads. The perceived performance is from the hardware making up for it. That same hardware running Linux or Windows 7, running the same app. doing the same work would be done faster. Yes they are shiny, they have pretty docks with pop up icons on the desktop and the i7 MacBook Pro can even fry a freakin' egg. Point is they are hyped up whiteboxes with a pretty little Apple logo on them. But again. Good ole Uncle Steve says that they're "Magical" and the lemmings run off the cliffs in droves.