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So who's fault is it?

Discussion in 'Android General Discussions' started by KZIWarrior, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. KZIWarrior
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    Okay this thread is NOT meant to speculate on the release date of any OTA but just to get a general census of why people think the OTA is taking so freaking long...

    So, is it the fault of:
    1 - Motorola - for some possible hardware issues or just poor in-house adaptation/development of the source
    2 - Google - for poor source, lack of support or some other issue
    3 - VZW - waiting for the Nexus of other marketing BS
    4 - App makers - Conflicts or other issues maybe?
    5 - Google Market - no stability or standardization enforced by Google leading towards a LOT of bad apps

    My vote is #1 followed closely by #5. How about you all?
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    I rather them hurry up with flash capability. As far as the ota; i think people are sweating it way too much.
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    I agree... but then I have been using cooked/OC'd ROMs for a while so I've been enjoying the benefits. I really can't imaging having to use the stock ROM... a buddy just bought a new Droid and we switched for a few minutes so he could see what the ROMs were about.... HOLLY H3LL the stock ROM is slow and ugly...

    But personally I think it's either Moto or VZW... given the great ROMs that the chefs have been putting out with their limited time and resources... either Moto REALLY sucks (which they do) or their is some other reason they (or VZW) is holding off....

    Just thought it'd be cool to see what the rest of the community thinks.:icon_ banana::icon_ devil:
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    i believe it is adobe's fault but not a blame game because i would like a full version of adobe with 2.1. eh i dont care i just want Black Droids V7
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    Don't care whose fault, although I think mostly #1. There's really nothing 2.1 can give that I'd be interested in except, Flash and loading apps from the sd card. Our devs have done a fantastic job making the Droid more capable than originally released.
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    it is what it is. I am enjoying my roms and will get it when i get it.......or not. Its funny that people are on motorolas facebook page cussing them out over an update. Its sad, but to add; I allowed this dude with an iphone to play with my rooted droid. Showed him wifi tether, 2,1 senseui, live wall paper, o/c and it had the glass theme. He said "I played with other droids and they look plain, but man this thing is badd@..,"
    He could not look at his iphone the same way after that.\ lol.
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    The answer is none of the above......
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    the majority of ppl dont care what else droid does or what iphone doesnt they are just content. im greedy i want more from my droid and i am happy that droid delivers.

    DROID DOES
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    *sigh* That doesn't help much.

    Let me guess...it's Apples fault!

    When in doubt, blame apple? Why? cause it's fun! :icon_ banana:
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    its actaully my fault; i wanted more time to play with roms, so i called motorola and asked them to push back the ota.

    In all honesty; though I wish moto/vzw would be more open on what is happening, ie problem with such and such, we did get an update a couple months back and the phone is not having any major issues where an update is needed. If moto would not have allowed the ota to have been leaked, we would have been happy with our phones and not worry about an update. THis ota stuff has gotten to a point that it is getting ridiculous. Trust me unless it contains adobe flash those that are rooted and install the 2.1 ota will just start a bunch of thread about how much of a let down it was and that you can not believe that they did not add _________ .

    I have a request for the mods/admins, I would like to be the first to start the "I am disappointed in the 2.1 update" Can I go ahead and start that.......I'm not asking to have it stickied, just that you not close it or move it. Let me kno lol.
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    Why does anyone care about the 2.1 ota anymore? Just get a rom? I love my droid and my life backgrounds.
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    lol, the lack of ota really hasn't mattered to me since 2.1 roms built on real Droid 2.1 "releases" came out despite the lack of an ota update, the scrolling and keyboard seem a lot better in 2.1 and the live wallpapers are bomb (try "Live Waterpaper").
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    Motorola has submitted 2.1 to Verizon. It failed Verizon's security testing so changes had to be made to it before it can pass the security checks. From what I have read this has happened twice now. So all in all its Verizon's fault. I would rather it be delayed and have no issues then it be rushed and have problems.

    This is also why Verizon was the last to release a blackberry update. When they finally came out they were flawless (most of the time)
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    Its amusing to hear everyone say update 2.1 is no big deal, yet their rooted and have 2.1. I have have yet to jump and if the ROM's weren't available I'm sure most of you would be clamoring for 2.1 also. To say get over it is ridiculous. I would prefer my 2.1 form Motorola. I am not very tech savvy and don't want to chance it. (Family moto: Murphy's law). So...to say get over it or its no big deal, WHILE YOUR RUNNING IT yourself is upsetting.......I can't wait for 2.1, I just want the one promised to us...
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    I'm awaiting the ota, so that the first ones who get it will give the rest of us an update.zip to install.

    I would have rooted by now, and may yet do so, but I figured that if it finally happened, that the dev's out there would have the "finished" 2.1 to work with, root it and then release ROMS on it, that would then be the time to go with it.

    I've seen one person's OC'd and ROM'd Droid, man it is totally compelling to do after seeing it live.:)
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    No disrespect but nobody promised you would get 2.1 other then some people on line who have no control over the distribution. This to this day it still remains to be a rumored update. Nobody has sent anything out to Verizon customers indicating that 2.1 would be along the way.

    Now I admit there does seem to be some documentation that would allow you to think it was promised to us but that's just not the case.

    If you are referring to a Verizon Rep promising you 2.1, well then you have a point but lets face it Verizon Reps really don't know that much about what's going on in regards to updates. If they promised you this I'd take that with a grain of salt.
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    wrong

    No hook you are wrong when motorola, google tell us we will be getting 2.1 that is a promise of getting it! I dont care what involvement verizon has We bought a motorola phone and motorola has stated we will get 2.1 therefor we are to get it or this is called false advertising or misleading sales tactics both illegal and valid lawsuits. Your post is just plain wrong and as a news person this is poor! there has been documentation from the manufacturer of the phone that the droid would get it. its definatley promised and advertised where you get this is not the case is beyond me.
    On the important front flash is the advertising feature that led me to purchase this phone and 2.1 can wait until flash is ready for me.
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    I stand corrected, but I believe the statement made was "soon" and no definition of time is mentioned. But you are correct Motorola did announce it was coming to the Droid. Not to make excuses but I was speaking from a Verizon point of view.

    Motorola did indeed say in that very mixed up statement that it would be released soon and I did forget about that document. It's the only thing that is out there but that should be sufficient enough.
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    While it's true an official 2.1 is not out there, those of us who have rooted do have the features 2.1 offers. Since it is available in ROM's, yes I'm one of those who don't care when 2.1 officially drops. There are many people on here that would offer to help you root and check out what these ROM's have to offer. Sorry if you are upset by all this, but take it from this old 50 yr old who was totally afraid to root because I was afraid I'd brick the phone...it's virtually impossible to brick. PM me and I'll help, or PM some of the others who have rooted and they will be more than happy to help you out.

    The intent of this thread was not to turn it into a root vs non-root, it was to get opinions why it hasn't dropped yet. Being a former VZW rep and a former BB user, I blame a lot of the delay on VZW testing and not approving it.
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    I'm sorry if I was misunderstood...I think its fantstic that many are rooted and there are many excellent choices available. I contemplate taking the plunge myself. What bothers me are people saying its no big deal and quit whining yet they have all the features I am hoping for via the update. "Soon" was over a month ago.
    Hell, I want answers from Verizon and Motorola more than the update. We pay thousands and get no response. I was always under the impression companies should be liable to their costumers....if there is growing concern they should address it....
    Who's at fault? Motorola for no response, Verizon for being oblivious or holding it back, us for not pressing the issue, and me for complaining and whining too damn much :)
    Now, have to admit this board is, by far, the best, most complete board out there....thank you for all of the information and guidance....