Rooting is for the naive

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jsh1120

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Alright, I will concede some. It is naive to not knowing what you are installing in the way of a ROM beforehand. Not doing research and checking around first is stupid.

Its just a couple lines of code for me to compile a kernel that will cook your precious Droid's CPU by jacking up the voltage. I don't even have to overclock the frequencies. (Yes I am aware that nobody will ever use my ROM now :D)

But I also see that gaining root on the phone, and installing a custom ROM are two very different things.

Of course they are different things. But I think you'll find that vast majority of folks who "root" their phones do so in order to install a custom ROM. And while I applaud the apparent good citizenship of the various developers who have made custom ROM's available, it's hardly reassuring to note that a malicious developer would soon be "found out," especially since initial reports of problems would be discounted as coming from people who don't know what they're doing.

Even worse, a truly malicious developer would not write software that obviously harms a device. Rather, it would be software that reports sensitive information such as credit card numbers stored on the phone.

Can't speak for the OP but there is a reason that Unix system administrators from time immemorial have not posted the root password on the wall of their offices. Once you assume superuser privileges in an operating system, much less install a hacked o/s, you should consider the risk you're running.
 

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Be as it may, much of that stuff you are worried about does not require root permission....on any device. Just a program...can even be installed from the market.
 

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Be as it may, much of that stuff you are worried about does not require root permission....on any device. Just a program...can even be installed from the market.

True. Of course that's analogous to saying that you can kill someone with a kitchen knife so why not legalize howitzers. And if that's your position, I'd rather not get into that unending discussion.
 

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Be as it may, much of that stuff you are worried about does not require root permission....on any device. Just a program...can even be installed from the market.

True. Of course that's analogous to saying that you can kill someone with a kitchen knife so why not legalize howitzers. And if that's your position, I'd rather not get into that unending discussion.

Yeah I will agree to stop with the convo then. I mean, cars kill more people than machine guns do, and yet....which one is legal (without a class 3 license)?


;)

Ok, I am done.
 
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Be as it may, much of that stuff you are worried about does not require root permission....on any device. Just a program...can even be installed from the market.

True. Of course that's analogous to saying that you can kill someone with a kitchen knife so why not legalize howitzers. And if that's your position, I'd rather not get into that unending discussion.

Yeah I will agree to stop with the convo then. I mean, cars kill more people than machine guns do, and yet....which one is legal (without a class 3 license)?


;)

Ok, I am done.

I am gonna vote for machine guns.
 

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Guns dont kill people, people kill people......to solve the problem lets keep the idiots from being able to buy a gun from the trunk of a car....sorry getting wayyyyyyy off topic.

Back On topic. OP made a good point, just the tile needs to be re-worded.
 

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True. Of course that's analogous to saying that you can kill someone with a kitchen knife so why not legalize howitzers. And if that's your position, I'd rather not get into that unending discussion.

Yeah I will agree to stop with the convo then. I mean, cars kill more people than machine guns do, and yet....which one is legal (without a class 3 license)?


;)

Ok, I am done.

I am gonna vote for machine guns.



Then you belong in this thread, and the title is suitable ;)

File:Causes of death by age group.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Causes_of_death_by_age_group_(percent).png


You can't include war because lets face it, you can't accurately get statistics on who died from what.
 
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Guns dont kill people, people kill people......to solve the problem lets keep the idiots from being able to buy a gun from the trunk of a car....sorry getting wayyyyyyy off topic.

Back On topic. OP made a good point, just the tile needs to be re-worded.

Yeah I will agree to stop with the convo then. I mean, cars kill more people than machine guns do, and yet....which one is legal (without a class 3 license)?


;)

Ok, I am done.

I am gonna vote for machine guns.



Then you belong in this thread, and the title is suitable ;)

File:Causes of death by age group.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I forgot the internet cannot convey sarcasm. Anyway, installing anything blindly is a bad idea, so the title does need rework.
 

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Why I rooted: I wanted the fastest and the best droid in all the land (mission accomplished:icon_ banana:)

Risks considered prior to rooting and flashing: cooking my phone, divorce, creation of sky-net. (I have skillfully avoided these pitfalls:motdroidvert:)

Did I consider that a malicious dev would hack my data and "pwn" (as the kids say) me? Hell no. Frankly...the OP scared the hell out me...for a second.

Then I figured that I was probably the 2000th+ person that rooted and installed a particularly popular custom ROM. If that dev was shady I assume that word would get out so that droid weekend warriors like myself would be warned to stay away....So far so good...no one has purchased $500 worth of benie babies from india...or a bought an online membership to a porn site (wait a min...:icon_eek:)
 
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name: Loop4zil
credentials: When i was a kid I had a TI-99. I would kick your ass in Parsec from here to Texas and back. I could code in basic so that the screen would flash and say silly things

Why I rooted: I wanted the fastest and the best droid in all the land (mission accomplished:icon_ banana:)

Risks considered prior to rooting and flashing: cooking my phone, divorce, creation of sky-net. (I have skillfully avoided these pitfalls:motdroidvert:)

Did I consider that a malicious dev would hack my data and "pwn" (as the kids say) me? Hell no. Frankly...the OP scared the hell out me...for a second.

Then I figured that I was probably the 2000th+ person that rooted and installed a particularly popular custom ROM. If that dev was shady I assume that word would get out so that droid weekend warriors like myself would be warned to stay away....So far so good...no one has purchased $500 worth of benie babies from india...or a bought an online membership to a porn site (wait a min...:icon_eek:)

You're assuming someone other than the devs have looked at the ROMs, line by line. As someone else has mentioned already, most spyware is passive. Also, I had a TRS-80. I remember coding Three Blind Mice on it? Good times, forgot all about it. Thanks for reminding me. :)
 
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In all honesty I would be more concerned of a app from the market being "rogue" then the ROMs exchanged on this site and others like it.
 

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...Not to take anything away from these fine coders who are releasing these custom roms. But I have to ask you, how well do you really know them? Do you know them well enough, that you don't mind if your keys are logged and emailed to a remote server? How about letting them borrow your credit card? Or letting them know your whereabouts via GPS at any given time? For my part, I say nay. I would need to know someone lifelong to be that trusting...

..Just take your time and research the developer before you open up your 600 dollar device to somebody who hacked something up in his basement...

...Only a few years later, I installed my first Linux distro, Suse. Since then, I have not looked back at Windows, installing various distros from year to year, eventually settling back to OpenSuse (my current distro)...

Maybe you don't realize, but Linux is open source software. It's nothing more than the result of hundreds of thousands of people that "hacked something up" in their basement.

I am certain you haven't opened up your OpenSuse and read line for line what it does...

As a Debian Sid user I agree with your point, but you are arguing it poorly in more than just the title here...

Edit: Forgot to also ask the question: Have you researched all the devs of your OpenSuse? Or how about your KDE/Gnome/XFCE/Fluxbox/Openbox/whatever devs? How about even the Firefox devs?
 
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name: Loop4zil
credentials: When i was a kid I had a TI-99. I would kick your ass in Parsec from here to Texas and back. I could code in basic so that the screen would flash and say silly things

Why I rooted: I wanted the fastest and the best droid in all the land (mission accomplished:icon_ banana:)

Risks considered prior to rooting and flashing: cooking my phone, divorce, creation of sky-net. (I have skillfully avoided these pitfalls:motdroidvert:)

Did I consider that a malicious dev would hack my data and "pwn" (as the kids say) me? Hell no. Frankly...the OP scared the hell out me...for a second.

Then I figured that I was probably the 2000th+ person that rooted and installed a particularly popular custom ROM. If that dev was shady I assume that word would get out so that droid weekend warriors like myself would be warned to stay away....So far so good...no one has purchased $500 worth of benie babies from india...or a bought an online membership to a porn site (wait a min...:icon_eek:)

You're assuming someone other than the devs have looked at the ROMs, line by line. As someone else has mentioned already, most spyware is passive. Also, I had a TRS-80. I remember coding Three Blind Mice on it? Good times, forgot all about it. :)

99% of the devs out there couldn't examine the code line by line.
 

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So its safe to say you trust google. How long have you known them? Dont they have an office in China?
 
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