Return droid x?

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    I just bought a droid x and found out about the locked bootloader. I am assuming this means that if motorola doesn't want to update too the newest version of android then we don't get it. Is this true? And if it is true, should I return the and what should I get in its place?

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    Well if you want to have full custimiztion then the original droid will be what you're looking for.

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    That's the only thing keeping me from getting one right now. My buddy got one & I'm jealous of the screen. What is the official purpose of a bootloader BTW?
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    The official purpose of the bootloader being locked down is so that we can't fully customize the phone because moto and Verizon have invested a lot of money in th way they have the phone set up. Every phone needs a bootloader but they don't need to be locked down.

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    We know WHY they're locked down now though.... *sigh*



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    It was interesting news though today when one of the guys at android (don't remember who, its late) wrote an article about how manufacturers should stop making users choose between security and customization. Basically that we shouldn't have to go to great lengths to flash custom system versions to our phones. Essentially asking more manufacturers to unlock their phones if I understand correctly.

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    OK so it being locked is only to prevent modification/pimping? I don't understand why they would care.
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    Pretty much. The whole open source thing, while good for google who provides all the software, isn't all that great for the manufacturers. Like I said, they have an agenda to push and money to make and apparently the cash we shell out for our phones just isn't enough. Iirc moto said that they basically made the og droid to comply with the open source nature of android but they don't have plans to make any more open and unlocked phones in the future.

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    Ya, Google is all for it...as long as its from source. Found this out looking through the legal information in settings. They just don't have the...guts to speak up usually. Being "locked down" is pretty much defeating the purpose of Android and putting us more in the same category as the iPhone.
    From a manufacturer's stand point, I COMPLETELY understand! I'd be sick of replacing "bricked" or otherwise screwed up devices that were user error too! Its pretty childish to not take responsibility for your own actions, demanding that Verizon or Motorola replace a device that the CUSTOMER messed up, you know?



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    I remember reading Motorola was going to stick with locked bootloaders... that sucks. Do any manufacturers do unlocked anymore? Is this something that's crackable? Like DVD/BD-R encoding?
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    Actually yes some do. I'm like 99% sure the new nexus s Is unlocked and I think there may be 1 or 2 htc phones still in their life cycle that are unlocked. Maybe g2? I don't remember.



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    i agree with you on that one
    if someone bricks their phone they should have to pay for the insurance deductible or buy a whole new phone and just learn from their mistakes but most users dont do that :(
    that is the main reason why i think moto and other manufactures are locking down their phones so user errors wont be generated as often
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    the new nexus should be unlocked and i believe most if not all of the samsung phones are unlocked and i know the evo and inc are technically unlocked even though they have a nand lock(which is easy to remove)
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    I really wish that was the case, but I don't think its all about protecting us from ourselves as it were. Or even really about protecting themselves from the loss of replacing bricked phones although that is a factor. When you think about it probably less than 1% of android users root and flash roms so that isn't an overwhelming issue. I think they are mostly protecting the work they put in to the system.

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    Arg! All I want is a 4 inch (no bigger no smaller), metal, droid (preferably Motorola), unlocked!... That sounds gross when read in retrospect.
    They can have my 500-600 $ when they feel like it cause I really want to upgrade.
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    thats what i am thinking, if i were motorola i wouldnt want to replace a phone with a processor desodered because the user overclocked the phone. and i wouldnt say 1% of the android market roots and flashes roms, i would give it about 3-5% at least.
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    I will give you 3% maybe but no higher and even then of that 3% I would say less then 5% (probably far less than 5%) do irreversible damage to their phones and get someone to replace the phone for them. Then consider the fact that those phones that they send in will probably be recovered and used a refurbs so even then its not a total loss because they are used to replace legitimately damaged phones. Given those facts that means that if a million users were to purchase android phones only 15000 phones would have to be replaced due to root neglagence and I think that that is even an inflamed figure. I really don't think that's why they lock them down. I think it has more to do with the fact that they design phones the way they think they should run and after investing time and money in to it, they don't want people mucking it up.

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    I'll agree to alot of that! A million phones wouldn't be "inflamed" at all actually since Google announced that 300,000 Android phones are activated everyday so 1,000,000 wouldn't take long to reach.



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    Oh no for sure. The figure that I think is inflamed is the 15000 phones out of a million needing to be replaced, honestly I would place that figure at closer to 8000. Now when you consider that each of those phones costs in the neighborhood of 500 dollars (accounting for both low and high end android phones) that would be a loss of about 4 million dollars against the original gain of 500 million dollars (again using figures of 1 million phones sold and 8000 bricked due to neglegence) and like I said they wouldn't have to eat that entire loss since likely some if not many of them can be saved and redistributed. Now I'm not saying that its ok to dupe companies in to replacing your phone after you knowingly destroy it but I think that accounts for only a fraction of the losses that the phone companies incur in a year. In fact, I would almost be willing to state that perportionally they incur less of a loss from root users than average users because many of us are either a) afraid to try and bring in a rooted device or b) smart enough to recover it ourselves.

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