Report: Verizon Has Been Turning Over Call Logs for All of their Customers to the NSA

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    Update: One of our insider sources at Verizon was able to send us a .pdf of the actual court order to which this article refers. To be clear, this can also be found at a few other sites on the web covering this news. We aren't claiming to have any special exclusives, but we found it interesting to have the actual document from Verizon in hand and wanted to share it with you guys. Here it is: Verizon-top-secret-court-order-from-nsa.pdf

    Under a top secret court order filed in April, the National Security Agency has been collecting call logs for all Verizon Wireless customers, including the numbers of both parties on a call, the location data, the call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls.

    The court order concerns all calls to, from and within the United States, and it utilizes aspects of the 2001 Bush-era provision in the Patriot Act (50 USC section 1861) in order to combine federal datasets and look for patterns on anything which could be related to terrorism.

    Despite the seemingly benign intended purpose, this basically boils down to millions of American citizens being spied upon by their own government. What is most disturbing is the unlimited nature of the information being handed over to the NSA. Here's a quote with a few more of the details,

    For now only a court order for Verizon has been shown, but it is possible other carriers might be under similar court orders. There is no evidence to suggest one way or the other at this time. It is important to note that the actual content of the telephone conversations is not what has been handed over, although what the NSA did gather is still a shocking amount of detail. Here is their statement on the matter,

    “Information of the sort described in this article from The Guardian newspaper has been a critical tool in protecting the nation from terrorist threats to the United States as it allows counterterrorism personnel to discover whether known or suspected terrorists have been in contact with other persons who may be engaged in terrorist activities, particularly people located in the United States… On its face, the order reprinted in the article does not allow the government to listen in on anyone’s telephone calls.”

    Ultimately, no matter how this turns out for the U.S. Government and the NSA, this is a PR nightmare for Verizon. Yes, they were issued a court order, but they apparently didn't put up any fight to protect their customers either. Of course, The Guardian didn't indicate how they received a record of this top secret court order, so we don't really yet know enough facts to make snap judgments. Still, it is justifiably disconcerting, and we can likely expect a firestorm in the news media for at least a few weeks.

    Source: The Guardian
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    Here's another one,

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    And here's the source where "ck" found these hilarious pics...
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    I think it's foolish to think Verizon is the problem here.
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    Your right about that. Legally Verizon has no choice, and its a DAMN SHAME!!!
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    I would bet anything that all carriers are involved, Verizon is just the only carrier to admit it so far.
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    No one is suggesting that Verizon is to blame, but it is equally foolish to assume they have no culpability in this matter. The fact is, they could/should have found a way to fight this. If they had simply refused, then the Government would have no choice but to go public to force the issue.

    On the other hand, it's entirely possible that Verizon themselves leaked this info as they felt it was the only way out of a bad situation. The link above posted by bkdoger suggests that might be a possibility since Verizon is calling out the President to come clean on the problem. If so, then Kudos to Verizon for a crafty way of dealing with the issue. Things are definitely getting interesting.

    Here are some more details of what's been going on in the background: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/verizon-on-offense-behind-the-scenes-92343.html
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    The government go public? That's not how they work, fighting them would not go well. Check out the news, not the mainstream.
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    I wasn't being clear. I didn't mean to suggest that the Government would intentionally go public. I meant they would have to find a way to force/punish Verizon. There would be virtually no way to do that without the whole thing going public because of how the court system works.
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    Wait For other telco providers to have done the same. If you think Verizon is the only provider who complied with the order your mistaken.
    Hey! Talk about big government. Wow! This really pushes it to the limit. Maybe the next step will be to have a Federal Telco and Internet Provider. This will enable the government to freely spy on all of us. WOW! Talk about Big Brother? And their worried about unlocking phones???? Gimme a break!
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    "In the name of terrorism"......."Protecting the homeland".....Those have now become the cornerstone remarks for the government to get people to give up their rights.
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    I made a tinfoil hat for my phone so now they can't monitor me.

    ...I can't make phone calls either...but that's the price you pay for your freedoms.
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    Well, we shouldn't just sit back and accept this. I'm going to put my phone to work, while I still can, and call my legislators before they shut down my phone service:mad:

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    sad thing is is that people will happily give up their freedoms in the name of "feeling safer" American's are clueless. Ask them who Kim Kardashian is secretly dating or what star is having a baby with who, and they will vomit up the answer right away. Ask them who the VP of the US is and they haven't a clue. I'm not joking.....ahh well that's a whole other thread and forum :big smile:
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    I thought this was funny, found this on Facebook

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    True this
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    Rights? Nah! DC uses terror excuse too freely

    Wake up!
    First I pay taxes to have IRS spy on me. Now, NSA is hawking me! Do I live in China or Russia? BEWARE, USA! DC is out of control.
    Our Internet providers probably received a similar NSA order!!!! We need an app to stop this insanity Judges in DC pockets!
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    Exactly why I said earlier to watch the news and not the main stream media who is in the pocket of this admin
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    I agree. I don't get my news from mainstream media. They are all in the pocket. Soon people will wake up. I just hope its too late. Maybe folks reading these emails will finally realize how intrusive this is ministration has become. Too many scandals, too much intrusion. Too much overstepping my bounds. Like they said in Brooklyn years ago about the Dodgers : "Throw the bums out! "

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