No Path to Official DROIDX Update Coming from Motorola for Leaked 2.2 Users

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    Motorola doesn’t appear to want to follow in the steps of HTC when it comes to updating to Froyo. If you remember, during the series of leaked Android 2.2 builds for the EVO, HTC was doing their best to create patches and fixes to early adoptees that were having trouble updating to their official release. Moto on the other hand, appears to be taking the other path which could explain their prompt spraying of C&D letters to anyone hosting the leaked 2.2 for the Droid X from 10 days ago.
    The Motorola Support Forums mentioned the following today…
    WARNING: Do NOT load the leaked 2.2 upgrade that has been floating around on the Internets. There is currently no upgrade path from that load to the official 2.2 load that will be released by early September. Unless you have some plan to flash your phone back to the current official load, you could be stuck on the leaked version.
    Let me just say that we warned you twice about this, so if you are getting all red and out of breath with droplets of sweat beginning to form on your forehead, stop now. There are risks involved in the flashing of any leaked Android update and we make that as clear as can be.

    But not to leave you hanging, we figured we should probably give you some instructions on how to get back to 2.1 so that you can receive the official 2.2 and save yourself from an aneurysm. Stay tuned for those…

    Oh yeah, and that note also mentions an “early September” release which could mean as early as this weekend?


    Via: Motorola Support
    Droid-Life.Com
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    ehh i can take 2.2 off when i choose. we just need people posting when 2.2 comes out
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    Blah. Why wouldn't it work?

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    they dont want people using it so they set it up like that.
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    I'm sure someone will make the OTA available for download for all of us on the leaked 2.2. I don't think we would have to downgrade to 2.1 if we have that option.
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    When they say the upgrade 'will be pushed to you' do they mean your phone will do the update pre-emptively, without user interaction (or without the user being able to control or cancel the interaction)?
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    This is all a bunch of BS. Who cares; just release the stupid thing so we can move on. I mean we spend so much money on these devices to be sitting around waiting for one release over another waiting and waiting for something that probably should have been released from the beginning. I'm patient to a degree but this is starting to be ridiculous.

    Someone will figure out a way to get things working so I'm not worried. Either way I just want the official 2.2 and I'll take care of the rest even if it means going back to 2.1.

    OK enough rant! LOL
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    I may be way off here, and not know my sh#t like I probably should, but under that new ruling, wouldn't Moto HAVE to release that update at least via a down-loadable package to conform? We now have the "official" right to hack our devices without worries of vendor ramifications, no? I swear that ruling just recently came down and/or went into effect. If anyone can provide accurate info on this issue, please post. Like I said, I may be way off - but dag nabbit, I know I saw something to that effect. Just to darn lazy to research it at the moment...
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    Yukon, I think the ruling you're referring to is the one that says it's not illegal to jailbreak/root your phone. That doesn't mean that manufacturers must make it easy for you to do so or that they can't void the warranty if you do so. Why should Moto or VZW be expected to support or fix your device when you did something to it that they told you not to do? I support your right to root your phone, as long as you take ultimate responsibility for it.
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    In before the self righetous say "I'm glad I waited" responses.
    Also, in before the clueless who either rooted or installed the leak will post a million threads asking how to revert back to 2.1 stock.

    There is some great comedy over @ the android forums on said topic
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    LOL yea the panic that is going on about going back to 2.1 is hilarious.
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    I take full responsibility - and I've reverted to 2.1, and back to 2.2, and reverted, and back... - if I brick it it's no fault but my own. However, I think that the point of the ruling was that as long as you did not intentionally do physical damage to the device, the vendor can not penalize you... a "bricked" phone is not permanently damaged - and therefore should be covered. The ruling also indicates that firmware updates must also be made available - now this was spelled out citing Apple and the iPhone, but any lawyer worth his weight in salt could argue the point across other manufacturers. My point is this: Why would Moto risk the support issues if they know ultimately they would have to respond in a manner that would get your device back to a working state? Would it not be in their best interest to make the file available as a final release? If we are competent enough to find a way to get an unsupported version running, I think we'd be perfectly fine installing an official release manually as well - Moto needs to look at the big picture here.

    Besides - Moto could take it as an opportunity to impose changes that would cause everyone to try to break the newest version all over again... a win for them!

    BTW - I have no intentions of rolling back my phone just to get the official release via OTA... just my 2 cents.
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    The ruling was a DMCA "fair use" exemption. Meaning it deals solely with copyright law enforcement and penalization. The library of congress declared that rooting/jailbreaking is not a violation of copyright law under the DMCA, not that the manufacturer has to support it. Specifically, all it says is that "the prohibition against circumvention of technological measures that effectively control access to copyrighted works set forth in 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(1)(A) shall not apply". They made it legal. That doesn't mean the manufacturer has to help you, or support you in any way. It is still their right to deny you warranty _and_ support for any action that is stated in any type of licensing agreement, regardless of the legality of that action.

    The ruling really did nothing for us, one way or another. It was only needed as Apple has been making noises about jailbreaking lawsuits, and laying the groundwork for copyright infringement claims in such cases. The Library of Congress effectively shut the door on it, that's all.

    Edit: And as a side note, the ruling may not technically apply to Android devices at all. The whole argument hinges on Apple locking you out of applications that it does not approve through it's app store, and the interoperability arguments that brings up. Android allows the installation and use of apps that are not distributed through the market as a base part of the OS. This damages the interoperability argument, and hasn't been tested.

    Edit2: Made it sound less combative... I'm a typical american, everything I say sounds like I'm trying to start a fight, hate my speech patterns.
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    LOL! Never took it as combative... I asked for it, so I got it! Heh heh. I did look it up - the ruling specifically cited Apple. But it did go further to say that they would have to continue to make the OS available to "jailbroken" firmwares. That is, Apple could not penalize someone for circumventing the measures they put in place to prevent just that. I could see how this could easily apply to "rooting" a device - especially one that is touted as open source - it's big selling point over the IOS.

    Anyways, thanks for your info. Cheers!
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    Yes, as it is "fair use" they have to continue to allow jailbroken firmware into their walled garden, and future updates/features as well. But they don't have to go out of their way to do so, at least in the sense that if the user does something that puts them outside the current upgrade path, they don't have to provide an easy solution back into it. In the Apple world, this isn't a problem, upgrades are more or less destructive, they just overwrite the firmware. In the android world, upgrades are scripted and have to be tailored in going from a specific version to another. The catch is, this doesn't really matter to us as has been pointed out. All we need is the signed boot image that has the new kernel, we can then make our own update.zip or rom that is version independent. It's actually relatively simple, but Moto is not required to do it.

    That is to say, under "fair use", Moto can't lock us out of the ecosystem, but they don't have to go out of their way to let us back in once we actively leave it either. If we can find a way to use their standard upgrade path, they also can't stop us from using it. As my cousin puts it "They can't lock the door once you step outside, but they ain't gotta help you back up the front stairs either".

    As far as the exemption applying to android, it really depends on how the judge reads it in the first court case that cites it as pertaining to android. Until then, we really can't say one way or the other. I only say it may not apply, due to the exemption citing application interoperability, and that not being an issue on android. But if that hypothetical judge takes a broad view, he can also interpret the "implied" extensions as well and include it.
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    Thanks Toby - I appreciate the insight. Of course, that ruling aside - and long before that ruling - us true "Tech Geeks" have never let a little formality like the "law" or "vendor agreement" stop us from having our fun! So...

    HACK AWAY!
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    I liked 2.2 but it started having trouble updating things from the market. Namely Handcent. It would say update available but clicking on "Handcent" to go in and update it the screen stayed stuck on downloading. Had a few other quirks too.

    Flashed SBF today back to 2.1. RSD Lite seemed to hang at 100% saying "manually reboot". I reluctantly unplugged the cable and rebooted. It was stuck in boot loop, so I booted into recovery and wiped everything. Rebooted and all is fine :)
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    2.2 was nice test with and it offered a look at flash and some other things...only went sofar as to install/wipe restore test apps...reinstall test/wipe and restore did not go down the root way, when i got up to 8 issues with the apps I was working with I just decided to go back to 2.1, will see what Motorola rolls out, everything I have read points to minor differences with the release...it has been fun.
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    This might be a useful metaphor for you. It is not illegal to drive your monster truck over your Droid X. Any court in the land would summarily dismiss any suit that sought to penalize you for pulverizing your $600 phone. You have the right to destroy your own property, as long as you're endangering your neighbors in the process.

    It is not illegal to destroy your Droid X. The courts decision is that neither is it illegal to tinker with the software. But nowhere does it say that the manufacturer (or anyone else) is responsible for undoing the damage you do by a) driving over your phone with a huge pickup or b) making a dog's dinner out of your phone's OS.

    They may choose to help you as an act of kindness to induce you continue doing business with them, or they may determine that you are one of that class of customer that is not only not worth having, but an actual drain on the company's profitability.

    Think about that... you sell a million or two devices, and 10,000 or so (1%) of your customers, through technical over-exuberance, decides to fubar their phone. Now you can choose to loose money on that 1% by finding a "fix" for their problem, or you can ignore them, knowing that they will a) do it again at the first opportunity and/or b) left to their own devices, find a way to fix it themselves. These are business decisions, not technical ones. More and more often, businesses are choosing to choose their customers more carefully, because doing so earns them better profits and requires enormously less effort. That is what business schools are teaching today. Jettison the dead weight, matey.

    So if you're going to tinker, and I love to tinker, accept the risk. If you don't have the heart to accept the risk, learn to be happy with the product as provided.
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    Luckily for me I knew of the risk and willing to accept whatever happens to my phone happens. I already kinda figured that Moto probably wasn't going to have an upgrade path for the leak 2.2 but it's like the same thing for Windows OS when they had the beta and release candidates of Windows Vista and Windows 7 where there's no upgrade path from the beta or RC to the RTM, you have to either format your computer back to your original version of windows then upgrade from there or completely format to the new version. I've accepted that risk.

    Besides, there's always that one person who knows how to get the upgrade rolling anyways so I'll wait and see what happens. If anything, I'll just SBF back to 2.1 and go from there when then official 2.2 comes out.