Nice Burn Verizon

Discussion in 'Android Support' started by NVash, May 1, 2011.

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  1. Hardattack

    Hardattack New Member

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    Its not just your droid 1 thats slow. Mine and my wifes is painfully slow. The home screen takes at least 30 seconds to draw the icons. The browser is so slow there's no difference between 3g and 1x The problem is it cant handle fryo. Before the updates it ran Ok but for the last year its just stupid slow. I'm so mad about it I will never buy another motorola or droid product. I only use mine for making calls I use my touch for everything else. I feel I got taken on a $600.00 phone.
     
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    Alright, here is my take.

    Your problem isn't Android. The platform has nothing to do with your problems.

    What are your problems?

    Well, speed. That's a function of having an old phone. It was launched Oct 2009. A comparable iphone is the 3GS. Both the OG Droid and iphone 3GS have the exact same processor -- the ARM Cortex A8.

    You could improve the speed of your phone by following an earlier recommendation that was summarily rejected: root your phone. Once rooted you can flash a new ROM like cyanogenmod. CM is hugely popular and is renowned for being awesome, fast, stable, and good on the battery.

    Also, once rooted, you can overclock and undervolt your phone. Apps exist like SetCPU or Droid Overclock that allow you to: increase cpu speed (which you have plenty of overhead since Motorola underclocked the cpu in the droid), reduce the voltage the cpu runs at (saving battery life), and change the cpu governor to one that favors performance or improves battery life (or if the interactive governor is available for your phone, do both), and create profiles that can change the behavior of the cpu under different circumstances (go faster and use more juice when plugged in or scale it back and save battery when you are below a certain percentage).

    These options here can dramatically improve your experience.

    However, they address issues from a software standpoint. It sounds to me like you have a bad phone. I have a friend with an og droid, completely stock, not rooted, and he had none of the problems you have.

    Conversely, another friend has an iphone 3GS. He's pretty tech savvy and was interested in Androids but he was on AT&T and decided to give the iphone a try. He regrets that decision. His phone crashes, reboots, and force closes apps on a regular basis. When he saw how stable my custom rom-flashed Droid X was, he got even more pissed off. His words were, "I expected the Android to be less stable, but worth it for the customization. But the iphone is a closed system and it crashes all the time." So, he is waiting for dual-core androids to become more common and then he is ditching his iphone.

    I'd say give rooting, rom'ing, and overclocking a shot. If that fails to make your droid tolerable, get a new phone.

    Also, consider getting a droid without a keyboard. Once you learn to Swype, you'll regret having a physical keyboard (in lieu of other features like a bigger screen). My parents both bought Droid 2s while I got a Droid X. Last time I visited them, they grew jealous of my screen and said that they never used the keyboards now that they have learned to swype. On the flipside, when I got the X, I wasn't sure if I wanted to go without a physical keyboard. At the time I had an envy and really liked using a keyboard to text. On my brother's recommendation (he has a samsung galaxy), I opted for the X. Once I adjusted to Swype, I never looked back. A physical keyboard is a waste of space to me.

    Lastly, it sounds like one of your gripes is VZW because of their contacts, end-of-life-ing phones you liked, and not being willing/able to replace your phone with something you want. Your issue with them had nothing to do with android nor will it be fixed by getting an iphone.

    I'm also not sure what your problem with the droid 2 global is. Can you elaborate what was said in the reviews and in what context was the phone being reviewed/compared. When released, the droid 2 global was a mid-range phone compared to other phones available. The global also has no hardware differences from the addition of gsm cellular bands.

    Frankly, I just don't see how the problems you have are a function of the Android OS. It seems to me you may have a bad phone and you are unhappy with Verizon's lineup, contracts, and service. You may be better off switching providers, not operating systems. Or, if you are willing to give up a keyboard, get a new, current-gen phone.

    Alternatively, you may just like iOS better. That's the only justification for switching to an iphone. But you never said that you liked iOS better. Nor can you really get help on a forum for that issue.

    I hope you are able to get to a resolution that satisfies you. I also hope that something I said is of any help.

    Good luck,

    -m

    { DroidX «» Liberty 2.0.1 «» TapaTalk }
     
  3. BodyBagz

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    Wow...whine much?:icon_eek:

    Seriously...this shouldnt be such an issue...quit whining and just go ahead and get that iPhone you are pining for...seems you are waiting for someone to tell you to do so, so allow me to be the one.

    You complain about your phone having "issues", but you refuse to have a CLNR phone sent to you. You whine because Verizon/Asurion wont just give you a phone you didnt pay for (free upgrade on devices...dont remember seeing that in my contract). You piss & moan because you didnt want to spend the money at the time for the phone you thought you truly wanted(R2D2 Droid 2), and now cant seem to find anywhere online. You bemoan all the other phones in the Verizon line-up, and according to you, your only basis for this is the "star rating" the phones have...not actually reading the reviews...cause we know reviews dont need to actually be read, just check the star ratings.... You refuse to look at a Droid phone without a keyboard, yet you are chomping at the bit for an iPhone...a device that will never see a physical keyboard as long as it can be sold ans an iPod with a built-in phone...

    So, what are you waiting for...go get that iPhone...then feel free to go to the iPhone forums and start some threads there crying about the lack of swappable batteries, no widget support, no increase in storage size without buying a new device, etc, etc etc....:)
     
  4. NVash

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    Im bordering on getting to that point. Im trying to remember the good here and since installing Launcher Pro it isnt as bad but even so, whatever happened to the days when I didnt have these problems? Im beginning to think that other Droids will be like this as well and if so, maybe I should leave them be until theyre good and quick like they used to be. I also wanted to add, I have a friend that got his Droid shortly before me. His touch screen does whatever it wants. His keyboard doesnt work right and hes lost letters. His battery barely lasts a few hours. Think he said its dead in four hours, I might be wrong. He also cannot find a Droid that he wants right now. IMHO theres a horrible selection out ATM. So hes talked of getting a battery and waiting it out. Im trying to wait it out but patience is wearing thin.

    I really wanted to quote your whole post but didnt to save space. Thats a very good post and Ill attempt to answer each part of it.

    Okay, speed. Thing is, Im a busy guy. I know rooting takes only a few minutes but really, I have so many other things to worry about right now. I just dont want to be bothered with rooting. The man at Verizon suggested LauncherPro and that has sped things up but only slightly. Im waiting for it to go back to getting on my last nerve.

    iPhone, few things. One, it has a few apps I want. Flipside, Im losing more than a few apps that I know and enjoy such as Handcent. This is why getting one is proving to be such a hard decision. I also messed with one in the store today and played Sonic The Hedgehog 4. I cant begin to tell you how much of a pain in the neck it is. This is the problem with having games that have touch screen controls, IMHO. The controls get in the way of gameplay. I shouldnt have my finger covering up some of the game. One thing I appreciated about my Droid was that I didnt have that problem but alas, instead I got serious cramps in my fingers. Cant win either way, phones arent really meant for gaming. Ive wanted an iPhone for some time and wanted to switch over many times. When it was on AT&T I wanted one, this is before I even came to Verizon, but I could tell even then that it was garbage. Even now I see people telling me all the time they cant get signals but this is AT&T. Im hoping its much better with Verizon. However, whereas the Droid will be updated in a few months and itll be out of style, Im not particularly sure itll be that way with the iPhone. I see many people still using 3G iPhones but few with Droid 1s. I just see the whole iOS as more reliable. Maybe Im wrong but I hope Im not.

    Droid without a keyboard, I tried my mothers Fascinate for awhile and used Swype, its okay but I didnt like it that much. I tried out the Droid X way back when it came out, didnt like that either. Think they might be alittle too big for my tastes really, but also I just dont like the phones. Im only prepared to deal with all touch screen with an iPhone but any other phone, no.

    The plans, yes, thats my gripe. Thats my main gripe and why I called this thread a 'burn'. That annoyed me then and annoys me even now. And the fact is this is something I have to just deal with. I looked around, I found an Android powered Sidekick running 4G on T-Mobile / AT&T. Guess what, only two year plans. Seems thats the norm nowadays so I better learn to work EBay or just deal with it. But sadly changing providers wont help anything.

    Droid 2 Global, as I said, I just wanted the R2D2 and recall it didnt have the best of reviews. I didnt read them, I just saw the number of stars on the VerizonWireless website and kept going. I dont really have anything against it, I just dont particularly want it right now, especially for two years. Again, with this Droid acting stupid Im beginning to wonder, can I deal with another Droid doing that to me? This is why Im even skeptical about the R2D2. Im not trying to sign a contract for two years, have this thing be outdated in a week, because how long has the Droid 2 been out now, and be stuck in the same predicament I have here. That makes me thankful that Im stuck getting it off EBay because hopefully now Ill be able to snag one without a contract.

    Ideally, Id have an iPhone 4G and Droid R2D2. I think this new month-to-month or two year contract thing is horrible and am very dismayed at the loss of the one year contract. Sadly nothing can be done about it. Im also dismayed at the lack of decent Android phones on the horizon. Sure I can wait but the more the phone messes up the angrier and more annoyed one gets.

    Forgot about those points. Any others that put Droid on top? Come on, Im trying to make an educated decision here. I dont much consider it whining but what whiner would admit to it? However, Im not taking the blame for not being able to afford the phone when it came out. I didnt have it then, they wanted a crazy amount of money, think it was $500. I will, however, take the blame for not doing a one year contract as I had wanted originally. Thats 100% my fault.
     
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    Its not just rooting that would help with your lag issue, but installing cyanogenmod7 and overclocking your device will show a massive improvement in performance. And we're not even getting into tweaking system settings to match your needs and uses.

    Ive heard this from a ton of people: The original droid is not dead, its just motorola and verizon who dont support it
     
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    Haha i agree with the "bodybagz"... but seriously rooted og Droid + miui gingerbread > iPhone IMO.

    Sent from my OG Droid, fresh MIUI
     
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    NVash... you may or may not recognize me, but back in the day (like 1.5 years ago) we use to have a lot of good discussions on these forums. It'd be a shame to see you go to an iphone, but I can understand if you do. Thing is that android lags. No matter what one, it'll lag. Its not optimized for the hardware like the iphone is. Though it is admitingly much better than the D1 as you get faster. If your willing to still be on android though take a look at the Galaxy S2. If that thing doesn't make you excited then idk what will. Only downside to it is no keyboard. And just like you that's a big thing for me as well.

    Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk
     
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    The droid 2 global is frickin awesome....I dont have any lag. Any, seriously. Not overclocked, but rooted and on Fission 2.4.3.

    Dont diss what you dont know son. User reviews are paltry at times, take a look at market apps and you'll see idiots complaining about an app not working on a phone that the description clearly states the app wont work on. Runaway sentence bear with me.
     
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    Give body bags the noble prize he just said what we were all thinking.
     
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    I just got a d2g as an upgrade to my original D1. The d2g is fast as hell, but has waaaaaaayyyyyyyy less rom support (basically there's like 2 options for roms).

    But with one of these roms installed battery life and performance shoot through the roof. I've never had a phone this fast before.

    Comin' atcha from my fission'ed d2g
     
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    Amen to that. Im waiting for GB to come out so I can compete with the life newly breathed into DX and D2s. The Fenom (froyo) rom is looking promising, scores 2000 on quadrant without stagefright apprently.

    I just...dont get it. I get the feeling that OP will complain about anything without being proactive about it, sans buying or trying to weasel into a new phone. And then what? More complaining lol.

    We all suggested rooting, roming and overclocking, the 3 fixes to almost any OG droid speed problem, and that was shot down. So what? I cant help you Nvash, i already threw the suggestion out there.
     
  12. NVash

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    I vaguely remember those days. Thanks for the post, I can really appreciate one like this with information. I havent seen the Galaxy S2 yet, Ill take a look.

    Whats so wrong with complaining? Bottom line, I got a phone. I loved it for the first year. For the past year its been nothing but a pain in my behind. I dont want to root. Is there any other answer? Am I wrong for asking such a thing? The main reason Im even tempted with the iPhone is I dont have to jailbreak it to get it to run the way it should. Im not trying to bring out fanboys here, Im asking for simple unbiased opinions. It shouldnt matter that this is a Droid forum. Surely some people have had iPhones and can state the Pros and Cons just as some could do the same for Droid. And there has to be some other answer besides 'Root'.

    Seriously, thats all thats been thrown my way. Im not trying to be insulting, cold or indifferent here but again, is there no other way? The man at Verizon turned me to Launcher Pro, that sped up my home screen slightly and I appreciate it a great deal. Now the trick is to figure out what new phone I want when I upgrade.

    However, remember how I mentioned a friend earlier? Ive told him of this thread and hed like to root. Where can I point him for information on that?
     
    #24 NVash, May 3, 2011
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