Picking up a NEW D4 still in plastic /never activated for $160.00 w/ OEM car and wall charger- accessories Person got as a gift last week, problem he has ATT. My wife cant deal with a virtual KB (even an S4 !) ..after all the years on a BB and then D3. Has 4.1.2 from the factory and never activated. Could not pa$$ it up @ this distressed sale. They still offer this on My VZW as an 2 yr./ upgrade device, for 100 bucks. Some people must really lust after that "last of the keyboard MOTO's". 4LTE /bigger screen/back lighted keys/ Voice search/Google now/ Faster HW and SW,...hard to pass up. Extremely hard to find New/Used D4's on Craigs or Ebay that are not ragged or under 300 bucks. Plus we keep the line's UL data for the foreseeable future. I wonder if a new from factory,D4 device with 4.1.2 OE installed, has the little PIA issues ?still present?