Moto Z & Moto Z Force July 28th! Verizon Editions ..

Discussion in 'Moto Z (Moto Z & Moto Z Force)' started by bkdodger, Jul 21, 2016.

  1. TwoBuells

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    this is going to get interesting, I was buying the phone for $199 through Verizon and getting to keep my plan w/ULD and now I'm buying the phone though BestBuy for $201 Regular price, on sale $200 off and only paying BB $1.00?? As soon as I get my phone from BB I will call Verizon and see what plan I will be on, and if I can keep my Existing Plan like my receipt says.
    My monthly avg data is 35GB, I've hit 250GB once while being off work for two weeks and once this year I hit 60GB. I think I could live with 40GB or even 30GB
     
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    Again, I'm telling you what Verizon's public position on this is. If it slips through the cracks, so be it, but there were others in past "loophole" transactions that found out only too late that the system pulled the trigger on them automatically. The system can find those new contracts and connect them with the IMEI to the phone that was purchased on that contract, then see the phone being activated on an existing UDP plan and flag it for plan change.

    You see, Verizon is paying Best Buy the commissions to bring a "new contract" and that commission is being used by Best Buy at the register (or on the web store), to subsidize the price to the consumer. It is no different than taking a new contract at a phone center store, getting the phone subsidized and losing the UDP in the process.

    Today, the only way to legitimately keep UDP is either to bring your own phone (not one subsidized by Verizon, whether directly or indirectly through a retailer with a new 2-year contract), or go on a payment plan at full price. I'm not saying the Best Buy Bypass won't work, I'm just warning those who attempt it that it may backfire.
     
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    OK I currently have two Droid RAZR M with the bigger sim card. (I use both phones on the same sim)
    The Moto Z uses the smaller nano Sim (I think thats the right name)

    I think I can cut the larger sim down but can I ever use it again in the RAZR M?
     
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    OK, My current Droid Razr M uses the Micro Sim, can I make that Micro into a nano sim?
     
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    Once cut to Nano SIM size, it won't position itself so you'd have to be VERY careful when inserting it into the larger SIM slot. I don't know of an adapter that will let you go from Nano SIM to Micro SIM. I would at least save the cutting from the SIM and you could possibly essentially use that as an adapter.
     
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    You can cut any Micro SIM into a Nano SIM, so yes, you can use it in the new phone.
     
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    thats cool, I;m currently searching for a adapter from nano to micro. its going to be tough cause the Razr M uses a spring loaded slot, so the fit needs to be perfect. on the Moto Z there is a tray to load in the sim card.

    Both of my Razr M's have the bootloaders unlocked and runnning CM12
     
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    Spring-loaded tray...good point. Last thing you want is to have it get stuck.
     
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    I've been searching and there are all kinds of adapters and cutting tools, I just have to find the right one
     
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    I should say the Razr M has a spring loaded slot, I did buy a adapter that my newly cut sim from Micro to Nano and should fit in the slot of my Razr M
     
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    Save your printout. You might need it. I've been told DPP is the only way to keep Unltd. data plan. This must be a loophole. Guess I'll do the same and see what happens.
    I was under the impression it had to be DPP and only if you were paying the 49.99 already. I agree with what you are saying. Then I stumble across this:
    Reminder: You Can Upgrade at Verizon and Keep Unlimited Data These Days | Droid Life
    If you read the comments at the end people are claiming this still works ok. Others say no it doesn't. Not sure what I'll do at this point. I might just wait to see what the 2016 Nexus phones are like or the pending Moto X. Or maybe I'll just do the BB DPP for the 21.83 monthly and not look back. Decisions decisions.
     
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    The "Device Payment Plan" they're talking about is Verizon's solution to paying FULL PRICE but instead of paying it all up front, you're buying it from direct from Verizon in a 24 month payment plan. This DOES still work since Verizon says you are paying FULL PRICE, or in other words, no subsidized costs. They take the full price and divide it by 24, and you pay 1/24th each month for 2 years.

    There is no new cellular pricing plan contract required since Verizon isn't paying any of the cost of the phone for you. They ARE essentially lending you the money and not charging you interest (0% financing), but they aren't reducing the price by subsidy so as far as they are concerned it's no different than buying the phone for cash at Best Buy or any other retailer and putting your SIM card into it. Of course, they're also earning a profit because you're paying them the full retail price against the wholesale cost of the phone they paid for it so they're not losing any money on the lost interest.

    By contrast, if they pay Best Buy the commissions for the "New Activation and 2 year contract" (essentially under false pretenses), and then Best Buy earns a profit on the retail price of the phone, Verizon SHOULD be making a profit during that 2 years on the "NEW" activation. Unfortunately they are not because the "New Activation" isn't really new, it's a regurgitation of the existing customer, and they just LOST the commissions they paid to Best Buy. Net result, Verizon is essentially in the same place they were before the transaction with respect to future revenue, but they are in the hole for the commissions to Best Buy.

    Best Buy on the other hand makes out like a bandit so they don't care if Verizon loses as long as they win. This is why Verizon says you can keep your existing plan (*since it's part of the agreement they signed with Best Buy to be an agent for them), but you will lose Unlimited Data (*since they're not getting a new activation, just a 2-year re-commitment).

    Pardon my ignorance, but what is DPP?